1 00:00:51,060 --> 00:00:20,010 [Music] 2 00:00:55,140 --> 00:00:52,890 greatings you're listening to the 3 00:00:57,180 --> 00:00:55,150 paranormal UK radio network the UK's 4 00:00:59,270 --> 00:00:57,190 biggest paranormal Network I'm David 5 00:01:02,970 --> 00:00:59,280 Young and this is paranormal dimensions 6 00:01:06,300 --> 00:01:02,980 now I started something on the last 7 00:01:08,910 --> 00:01:06,310 episode giving a call out to people who 8 00:01:12,510 --> 00:01:08,920 are visiting my Facebook page for the 9 00:01:14,700 --> 00:01:12,520 paranormal dimensions and maybe put in a 10 00:01:17,460 --> 00:01:14,710 request for a shout out I'm here to call 11 00:01:20,430 --> 00:01:17,470 you out today for Denny Scott is in 12 00:01:24,060 --> 00:01:20,440 Alberta Canada is a Ronnie Dugdale with 13 00:01:26,310 --> 00:01:24,070 Boston on scene Norfolk UK and we got 14 00:01:27,600 --> 00:01:26,320 pizza McGarry in Limerick I was and how 15 00:01:30,150 --> 00:01:27,610 that's all of you and I hope you gonna 16 00:01:33,690 --> 00:01:30,160 be listening right now on the last 17 00:01:36,510 --> 00:01:33,700 episode we were talking I was talking to 18 00:01:38,850 --> 00:01:36,520 spirits Belarus now he was responsible 19 00:01:40,890 --> 00:01:38,860 for the alien autopsy 20 00:01:44,760 --> 00:01:40,900 once they responsible water it doesn't 21 00:01:46,740 --> 00:01:44,770 sound right does it but but but you 22 00:01:48,210 --> 00:01:46,750 might find the second episode a little 23 00:01:52,410 --> 00:01:48,220 bit confusing if you haven't heard the 24 00:01:55,050 --> 00:01:52,420 first so really you need the the podcast 25 00:01:57,840 --> 00:01:55,060 will be available to listen to alongside 26 00:01:59,790 --> 00:01:57,850 this so hopefully it won't be too 27 00:02:01,980 --> 00:01:59,800 confusing for you we try to catch up 28 00:02:04,469 --> 00:02:01,990 with where we were anyway we did leave 29 00:02:07,530 --> 00:02:04,479 it a convenient point I think but anyway 30 00:02:11,520 --> 00:02:07,540 lots of welcome back mr. spirits Belarus 31 00:02:13,620 --> 00:02:11,530 hello gave me how are you welcome back 32 00:02:14,940 --> 00:02:13,630 Andy actually say about a couple of 33 00:02:17,130 --> 00:02:14,950 weeks time didn't know I thought we were 34 00:02:18,539 --> 00:02:17,140 going on such a good role of that I 35 00:02:21,449 --> 00:02:18,549 think we needed to sort of do it pretty 36 00:02:25,350 --> 00:02:21,459 quick so we could continue where we left 37 00:02:27,750 --> 00:02:25,360 off kind of thing okay hopefully we'll 38 00:02:29,009 --> 00:02:27,760 be all right I think we will be left off 39 00:02:30,000 --> 00:02:29,019 was I think we were talking about John 40 00:02:32,100 --> 00:02:30,010 the Humphreys weren't we 41 00:02:34,020 --> 00:02:32,110 oh you're you were saying about maybe he 42 00:02:40,680 --> 00:02:34,030 was gonna sign off any further interest 43 00:02:43,320 --> 00:02:40,690 in he's dummy creation signed of 44 00:02:44,670 --> 00:02:43,330 interest what he's basically said is and 45 00:02:47,039 --> 00:02:44,680 like he might change his mind but you 46 00:02:49,530 --> 00:02:47,049 know never know he's basically his 47 00:02:51,150 --> 00:02:49,540 position at the moment is he's not gonna 48 00:02:53,910 --> 00:02:51,160 take any interviews he's not going to 49 00:02:57,600 --> 00:02:53,920 talk to anybody he's just gonna lay low 50 00:03:00,000 --> 00:02:57,610 you know and I respect that and I don't 51 00:03:01,349 --> 00:03:00,010 blame him but in might change his mind 52 00:03:04,410 --> 00:03:01,359 you never know I mean if there's I mean 53 00:03:06,120 --> 00:03:04,420 I gave you some thoughts as I thought 54 00:03:07,410 --> 00:03:06,130 maybe if this if this movie makes an 55 00:03:09,750 --> 00:03:07,420 awful lot of money you might be heard 56 00:03:36,600 --> 00:03:09,760 you were enrolled to say all that was my 57 00:03:41,280 --> 00:03:39,120 it's not so much his dummy because 58 00:03:44,490 --> 00:03:41,290 obviously was my movie I mean John John 59 00:03:47,670 --> 00:03:44,500 worked for me yeah so you know he worked 60 00:03:50,880 --> 00:03:47,680 for me he got paid he had some input in 61 00:03:52,680 --> 00:03:50,890 the creation of it and as I did 62 00:03:54,750 --> 00:03:52,690 we had effects on forecasted meetings 63 00:03:57,240 --> 00:03:54,760 where we sat down in a coffee shop 64 00:03:59,640 --> 00:03:57,250 called four bridges or fidgety Road and 65 00:04:02,400 --> 00:03:59,650 we we chewed the fat and went through it 66 00:04:04,080 --> 00:04:02,410 and and decided why this why this 67 00:04:06,390 --> 00:04:04,090 creature had to have six fingers and six 68 00:04:09,210 --> 00:04:06,400 toes why why it didn't have a belly 69 00:04:11,280 --> 00:04:09,220 button why I had a distended stomach all 70 00:04:14,520 --> 00:04:11,290 these all these elements were all very 71 00:04:16,650 --> 00:04:14,530 carefully thought out so John John was 72 00:04:18,870 --> 00:04:16,660 involved in the creative process but I 73 00:04:23,550 --> 00:04:18,880 don't think you could ever state ever 74 00:04:25,890 --> 00:04:23,560 claim it's his but that said once the 75 00:04:29,240 --> 00:04:25,900 movies made I am going to I'm going to 76 00:04:31,350 --> 00:04:29,250 put across everyone's palm with silver 77 00:04:35,040 --> 00:04:31,360 only because it's what is the right 78 00:04:36,779 --> 00:04:35,050 thing to do you know but I think I know 79 00:04:41,370 --> 00:04:36,789 you're a very honorable man you do a lot 80 00:04:44,190 --> 00:04:41,380 for the homeless and everything and no I 81 00:04:46,680 --> 00:04:44,200 want to put it out there you know you 82 00:04:47,790 --> 00:04:46,690 very much of a humanitarian and I really 83 00:04:50,040 --> 00:04:47,800 respect that 84 00:04:54,480 --> 00:04:50,050 thank you thank you but you know what it 85 00:04:56,909 --> 00:04:54,490 is I know this is gonna sound very 86 00:05:00,480 --> 00:04:56,919 far-fetched okay but it's absolutely 87 00:05:03,330 --> 00:05:00,490 true I was brought up since I when I was 88 00:05:07,560 --> 00:05:03,340 born to the age of four I lived in a tin 89 00:05:11,640 --> 00:05:07,570 hut in Cyprus it was a tin corrugated 90 00:05:13,649 --> 00:05:11,650 metal construction one long tube we had 91 00:05:17,470 --> 00:05:13,659 bedroom one end and it had a kitchen the 92 00:05:23,860 --> 00:05:20,830 get with a hose so that's that's where I 93 00:05:25,750 --> 00:05:23,870 left my grandparents house and my 94 00:05:27,730 --> 00:05:25,760 parents came to Windham when I was when 95 00:05:28,840 --> 00:05:27,740 I was soon after I was born and I went 96 00:05:33,790 --> 00:05:28,850 and joined them when I was four years 97 00:05:36,010 --> 00:05:33,800 old so in England so the humble 98 00:05:38,230 --> 00:05:36,020 beginnings were actually really good 99 00:05:41,200 --> 00:05:38,240 times you know I mean you know what we 100 00:05:42,370 --> 00:05:41,210 didn't want for anything but you know we 101 00:05:44,800 --> 00:05:42,380 would look at kids today with their 102 00:05:46,420 --> 00:05:44,810 mobile phones and then Xboxes and all 103 00:05:48,540 --> 00:05:46,430 the rest of it you know and it is a 104 00:05:50,740 --> 00:05:48,550 humble beginning and I'm glad I had that 105 00:05:52,600 --> 00:05:50,750 since then I've had everything I wanted 106 00:05:55,060 --> 00:05:52,610 I've lived in amazing houses I've had 107 00:05:57,790 --> 00:05:55,070 lovely cars pretty much anything I 108 00:05:59,260 --> 00:05:57,800 wanted to do but I never forget that 109 00:06:01,480 --> 00:05:59,270 people are still living in ten ounces 110 00:06:03,730 --> 00:06:01,490 and there's some people in England in 111 00:06:07,630 --> 00:06:03,740 London especially that live in the 112 00:06:09,760 --> 00:06:07,640 street you know and it could be you and 113 00:06:10,090 --> 00:06:09,770 I got a bid right but we're not that far 114 00:06:12,370 --> 00:06:10,100 away 115 00:06:13,900 --> 00:06:12,380 no they say you're a Beth you where 3 116 00:06:20,020 --> 00:06:13,910 moves away from me I'll used you had 117 00:06:22,180 --> 00:06:20,030 something disastrous happens because he 118 00:06:26,020 --> 00:06:22,190 had a divorce and the wife took 119 00:06:31,000 --> 00:06:26,030 everything and in essence he just 120 00:06:32,800 --> 00:06:31,010 couldn't afford to be anywhere hmm crime 121 00:06:34,960 --> 00:06:32,810 in itself but anyway that's another 122 00:06:37,570 --> 00:06:34,970 story you know I just wanted to put that 123 00:06:38,770 --> 00:06:37,580 out I do know that you do keep it quiet 124 00:06:40,180 --> 00:06:38,780 you don't say anything about it but I 125 00:06:45,850 --> 00:06:40,190 think people should should know what you 126 00:06:48,040 --> 00:06:45,860 do thank you yeah to help Facebook 127 00:06:51,520 --> 00:06:48,050 little group there called bags of love 128 00:06:54,700 --> 00:06:51,530 and and you know you can make a donation 129 00:06:56,500 --> 00:06:54,710 if you if you want to I don't know 130 00:06:58,270 --> 00:06:56,510 absolutely and what I'll do on my 131 00:06:59,590 --> 00:06:58,280 paranormal dimensions page I'll let you 132 00:07:04,990 --> 00:06:59,600 pulled into there's will prosper 133 00:07:10,140 --> 00:07:05,000 thank you anyway yeah be paying it back 134 00:07:14,470 --> 00:07:13,060 yeah I mean we saw the stuff we were 135 00:07:17,230 --> 00:07:14,480 talking about the film and everything 136 00:07:18,730 --> 00:07:17,240 and I think we look I think you were 137 00:07:21,220 --> 00:07:18,740 talking you were gonna go into the 138 00:07:22,900 --> 00:07:21,230 actual rest of the room where all the 139 00:07:25,000 --> 00:07:22,910 bits and pieces that were made up like 140 00:07:27,130 --> 00:07:25,010 the you were talking about the telephone 141 00:07:29,040 --> 00:07:27,140 yes you were probably going to lock the 142 00:07:31,140 --> 00:07:29,050 the water and everything 143 00:07:32,850 --> 00:07:31,150 yeah well no I'll tell you what that's 144 00:07:42,990 --> 00:07:32,860 been done today let's do some new stuff 145 00:07:45,540 --> 00:07:43,000 okay stuffs out there the kerning wire 146 00:07:46,770 --> 00:07:45,550 was put there because it wasn't there 147 00:07:49,409 --> 00:07:46,780 when I bought the phone the phone had a 148 00:07:51,960 --> 00:07:49,419 straight wire and I we bought an upgrade 149 00:07:54,390 --> 00:07:51,970 kit which was available at the time and 150 00:07:56,100 --> 00:07:54,400 we changed it to a curly wire because I 151 00:07:58,110 --> 00:07:56,110 wanted people to say it can't be real 152 00:08:00,920 --> 00:07:58,120 because that didn't have curly wires in 153 00:08:03,510 --> 00:08:00,930 1947 and of course they did in in 154 00:08:05,249 --> 00:08:03,520 hospitals and schools and military 155 00:08:08,969 --> 00:08:05,259 institutions so he puts it back to being 156 00:08:10,290 --> 00:08:08,979 real again so I think people a measure 157 00:08:12,059 --> 00:08:10,300 that came out and around about the 60s 158 00:08:18,930 --> 00:08:12,069 or something like that actually so I 159 00:08:21,689 --> 00:08:18,940 have to be honest but somebody actually 160 00:08:23,490 --> 00:08:21,699 knows what the truth is says no actually 161 00:08:26,129 --> 00:08:23,500 that was available as an upgrade and 162 00:08:28,680 --> 00:08:26,139 it's usually governmental institutions 163 00:08:31,020 --> 00:08:28,690 that bought the upgrade mmm that puts it 164 00:08:32,219 --> 00:08:31,030 back into the realms of being real but 165 00:08:34,319 --> 00:08:32,229 let me tell you about a few things that 166 00:08:37,740 --> 00:08:34,329 you wouldn't think about looking at and 167 00:08:42,240 --> 00:08:37,750 I haven't spoken about before great the 168 00:08:45,540 --> 00:08:42,250 autopsy table okay what that is it's 169 00:08:47,010 --> 00:08:45,550 made out of you know these poles that 170 00:08:51,990 --> 00:08:47,020 you have in the streets that people put 171 00:08:55,170 --> 00:08:52,000 up for sale signs estate agents but well 172 00:08:58,560 --> 00:08:55,180 I went out to there was a we made the 173 00:09:02,610 --> 00:08:58,570 the set in ER in a house in Camden Town 174 00:09:04,319 --> 00:09:02,620 and outside it was one of these lorries 175 00:09:06,030 --> 00:09:04,329 in the flat back lorries that had all 176 00:09:07,980 --> 00:09:06,040 these for sale signs on it hmm 177 00:09:09,870 --> 00:09:07,990 and the guys were putting the sales that 178 00:09:13,110 --> 00:09:09,880 for sale signs up onto houses or 179 00:09:15,329 --> 00:09:13,120 removing them so I needed some wood so I 180 00:09:18,660 --> 00:09:15,339 went out there and and I said to the 181 00:09:21,540 --> 00:09:18,670 guys I need about 50 lengths of of this 182 00:09:24,120 --> 00:09:21,550 tuba to wood that you've got there can I 183 00:09:25,590 --> 00:09:24,130 give you some money for it and they said 184 00:09:28,019 --> 00:09:25,600 well no not really we're not really 185 00:09:29,970 --> 00:09:28,029 selling it you know I said well look if 186 00:09:31,889 --> 00:09:29,980 you if you want to sell it to me I'm 187 00:09:33,449 --> 00:09:31,899 happy to give you some money but if you 188 00:09:34,620 --> 00:09:33,459 don't sell it to me when you leave I'm 189 00:09:42,300 --> 00:09:34,630 gonna take down all the ones you just 190 00:09:42,720 --> 00:09:42,310 put up right and I said so I'm just 191 00:09:44,189 --> 00:09:42,730 saving you 192 00:09:47,009 --> 00:09:44,199 I want to give you a bit of money in 193 00:09:49,050 --> 00:09:47,019 your pocket and they said Emily do you 194 00:09:51,600 --> 00:09:49,060 need I said I need about 50 links and 195 00:09:54,360 --> 00:09:51,610 they said we'll give you 40 so I've got 196 00:09:57,780 --> 00:09:54,370 40 lengths of these to Batu from them 197 00:10:01,350 --> 00:09:57,790 and I gave them some money and and I 198 00:10:03,000 --> 00:10:01,360 built the set in the room by making a 199 00:10:05,790 --> 00:10:03,010 frame out of it but I've also I also 200 00:10:08,790 --> 00:10:05,800 made a frame for the autopsy table with 201 00:10:09,720 --> 00:10:08,800 the same wood no problem of course is 202 00:10:11,879 --> 00:10:09,730 that and I've got I've got an empty 203 00:10:14,850 --> 00:10:11,889 frame and I need to cover it but it 204 00:10:17,220 --> 00:10:14,860 needs to be metal and there was a there 205 00:10:19,949 --> 00:10:17,230 was a car repair shop called Morelli's 206 00:10:22,230 --> 00:10:19,959 which is under the bridge on Camden Road 207 00:10:24,840 --> 00:10:22,240 it's not there anymore but it was very 208 00:10:28,530 --> 00:10:24,850 well known at the time and they sold 209 00:10:33,600 --> 00:10:28,540 sheet metal Steve steel in the length of 210 00:10:35,160 --> 00:10:33,610 six foot by four foot and so I ordered a 211 00:10:40,319 --> 00:10:35,170 sheet of this stuff and they delivered 212 00:10:42,300 --> 00:10:40,329 it and my dilemma now of course was an 213 00:10:45,810 --> 00:10:42,310 autopsy table would be would be at least 214 00:10:47,790 --> 00:10:45,820 six foot long if not longer because you 215 00:10:49,769 --> 00:10:47,800 know you've got all sorts of sizes of 216 00:10:51,960 --> 00:10:49,779 people this is not made from alien it's 217 00:10:53,819 --> 00:10:51,970 made for a human being that's around 218 00:10:55,230 --> 00:10:53,829 seven four what a fool that's right yeah 219 00:10:56,759 --> 00:10:55,240 so there be they'll be big enough to put 220 00:11:00,900 --> 00:10:56,769 a guy who's six the four on it from 221 00:11:02,460 --> 00:11:00,910 normal so I thought okay but I've got to 222 00:11:05,340 --> 00:11:02,470 cheat it because I've only got a sheet 223 00:11:10,199 --> 00:11:05,350 of metal which is six foot in in length 224 00:11:13,949 --> 00:11:10,209 okay and so what I did was I made the 225 00:11:18,569 --> 00:11:13,959 table which was it was five foot six 226 00:11:21,509 --> 00:11:18,579 inches and the overhang the the flat 227 00:11:24,120 --> 00:11:21,519 part at the the feet end was four inches 228 00:11:26,610 --> 00:11:24,130 so I could afford to bend over four 229 00:11:29,879 --> 00:11:26,620 inches from the sixth foot and I had 230 00:11:30,960 --> 00:11:29,889 five foot going five foot six going to 231 00:11:33,509 --> 00:11:30,970 the back okay 232 00:11:35,430 --> 00:11:33,519 and because it's film and angles and the 233 00:11:39,949 --> 00:11:35,440 way he'll it looks a bit bigger than it 234 00:11:42,569 --> 00:11:39,959 really is but the problem that I had was 235 00:11:45,240 --> 00:11:42,579 it didn't go right to the back because I 236 00:11:47,189 --> 00:11:45,250 can fold it over to the front and make 237 00:11:48,480 --> 00:11:47,199 it look nice at the front because I 238 00:11:51,689 --> 00:11:48,490 needed to make it look like a solid 239 00:11:53,340 --> 00:11:51,699 metal table you know so what I did was I 240 00:11:55,620 --> 00:11:53,350 took it up to the back and they just 241 00:11:56,250 --> 00:11:55,630 fold it over like a very good half an 242 00:11:59,130 --> 00:11:56,260 inch 243 00:12:02,220 --> 00:11:59,140 over the lip so now that I've told you 244 00:12:04,290 --> 00:12:02,230 that if you look at the footage and you 245 00:12:07,110 --> 00:12:04,300 go to the section way where we're 246 00:12:09,120 --> 00:12:07,120 soaring the skullcap off to remove the 247 00:12:10,620 --> 00:12:09,130 brain if you look at the back of the 248 00:12:12,630 --> 00:12:10,630 table don't look at anything else just 249 00:12:15,090 --> 00:12:12,640 look at the back of the table you will 250 00:12:18,270 --> 00:12:15,100 see the wooden part and and the metal 251 00:12:19,770 --> 00:12:18,280 folded over hmm okay yeah and of course 252 00:12:21,960 --> 00:12:19,780 you're not looking because you're too 253 00:12:23,880 --> 00:12:21,970 busy looking at a brain yeah you're not 254 00:12:25,080 --> 00:12:23,890 looking at the back of the table because 255 00:12:27,750 --> 00:12:25,090 you've already bought that it's a real 256 00:12:29,250 --> 00:12:27,760 table so you nothing to see here right 257 00:12:30,660 --> 00:12:29,260 but now that I've pointed that out 258 00:12:32,790 --> 00:12:30,670 you're going to go now and look at it 259 00:12:35,310 --> 00:12:32,800 and you'll see actually that's not the 260 00:12:37,260 --> 00:12:35,320 most tidy job in the world and it's very 261 00:12:39,120 --> 00:12:37,270 clearly homemade if we obviously Raisa 262 00:12:41,600 --> 00:12:39,130 can refocus on their brain normally yes 263 00:12:44,070 --> 00:12:41,610 that's right you're all eyes fixed 264 00:12:47,130 --> 00:12:44,080 you're watching you know what we did 265 00:12:49,650 --> 00:12:47,140 with the brain was which was a nice 266 00:12:52,170 --> 00:12:49,660 little effect what we did was we John 267 00:12:54,180 --> 00:12:52,180 sculpted a mold which was the shape of 268 00:12:58,320 --> 00:12:54,190 the actual brain the hope of the whole 269 00:12:59,520 --> 00:12:58,330 brain but what we did was we layered we 270 00:13:01,260 --> 00:12:59,530 did it two times actually within 271 00:13:03,860 --> 00:13:01,270 tooltips is the first one we did it in 272 00:13:06,750 --> 00:13:03,870 with raspberry jelly but it was too dark 273 00:13:09,540 --> 00:13:06,760 so the one that you the one we know and 274 00:13:12,240 --> 00:13:09,550 love is the alien autopsy now today we 275 00:13:16,170 --> 00:13:12,250 we use gelatin so what we did was put a 276 00:13:18,240 --> 00:13:16,180 sheet smear of gelatin into the mold so 277 00:13:21,480 --> 00:13:18,250 that you've got a layer and then we put 278 00:13:23,040 --> 00:13:21,490 two sheeps brains side by side which we 279 00:13:26,400 --> 00:13:23,050 thought would be quite quite snazzy 280 00:13:28,650 --> 00:13:26,410 because one sheeps brains too small and 281 00:13:31,320 --> 00:13:28,660 if you were use for example a pig's 282 00:13:33,390 --> 00:13:31,330 brain or a sheep or a pig brain or 283 00:13:36,930 --> 00:13:33,400 something bigger you'd end up with a 284 00:13:38,490 --> 00:13:36,940 more human looking brain and that wasn't 285 00:13:41,160 --> 00:13:38,500 anything to us we we need to go away 286 00:13:43,410 --> 00:13:41,170 from being human so the two sheep's 287 00:13:46,950 --> 00:13:43,420 brain side by side gave it an unusual 288 00:13:49,740 --> 00:13:46,960 shape and size and it was clearly not a 289 00:13:51,690 --> 00:13:49,750 human brain so we put the two sheeps 290 00:13:57,210 --> 00:13:51,700 brains in and then we covered the whole 291 00:13:59,580 --> 00:13:57,220 lot in gelatin but that in itself wasn't 292 00:14:01,530 --> 00:13:59,590 good enough because if you're familiar 293 00:14:04,110 --> 00:14:01,540 with jelly or gelatine if you make if 294 00:14:05,310 --> 00:14:04,120 you make something out of a jelly if you 295 00:14:08,700 --> 00:14:05,320 try and pick it up and fall to pieces 296 00:14:09,929 --> 00:14:08,710 hmm you know it breaks and of course we 297 00:14:11,999 --> 00:14:09,939 had to pick it up to put it in 298 00:14:14,009 --> 00:14:12,009 to the head into the skull because what 299 00:14:16,409 --> 00:14:14,019 we did was we we cut the skull cap off 300 00:14:18,869 --> 00:14:16,419 and then we hollowed the the head out 301 00:14:21,629 --> 00:14:18,879 because it's full of foam so we stopped 302 00:14:23,399 --> 00:14:21,639 filming hollowed the head out put the 303 00:14:25,889 --> 00:14:23,409 brain into the into the head put the 304 00:14:26,969 --> 00:14:25,899 skull cap back started filming again as 305 00:14:30,359 --> 00:14:26,979 if we were just finishing off the 306 00:14:32,339 --> 00:14:30,369 Soaring and lo and behold it was inside 307 00:14:35,309 --> 00:14:32,349 the head but of course it wasn't there 308 00:14:38,129 --> 00:14:35,319 all along but in order for it not to 309 00:14:41,369 --> 00:14:38,139 fall upon what we did was we we covered 310 00:14:47,099 --> 00:14:41,379 it in latex so there's a skin of latex 311 00:14:48,899 --> 00:14:47,109 around this gelatin molded brain once we 312 00:14:51,359 --> 00:14:48,909 put it in and you've got this latex skin 313 00:14:53,879 --> 00:14:51,369 you've got this wonderful effect where 314 00:14:56,119 --> 00:14:53,889 the surgeon is able to pierce the 315 00:14:58,710 --> 00:14:56,129 membrane which is the silicone skin and 316 00:15:00,749 --> 00:14:58,720 it looks like it's a membrane of skin 317 00:15:06,479 --> 00:15:00,759 around the brain it's beautiful it's 318 00:15:08,849 --> 00:15:06,489 some lovely effect you know yeah that 319 00:15:11,969 --> 00:15:08,859 was so so you're looking at all the 320 00:15:13,799 --> 00:15:11,979 membrane being open and the brain you 321 00:15:15,389 --> 00:15:13,809 know in place on the thing you're not 322 00:15:17,609 --> 00:15:15,399 you're not looking at the autopsy table 323 00:15:20,729 --> 00:15:17,619 but if you look at it now you'll see the 324 00:15:25,199 --> 00:15:20,739 autopsy table clearly isn't solid metal 325 00:15:27,659 --> 00:15:25,209 and it's homemade some people is some 326 00:15:30,239 --> 00:15:27,669 photos the the autopsy table looks like 327 00:15:32,819 --> 00:15:30,249 it's got square legs it actually hasn't 328 00:15:35,159 --> 00:15:32,829 is that the legs are square underneath 329 00:15:36,839 --> 00:15:35,169 because I used the two by two legs you 330 00:15:39,299 --> 00:15:36,849 know the same material to make the legs 331 00:15:41,639 --> 00:15:39,309 but what I wanted was I wanted a more 332 00:15:43,469 --> 00:15:41,649 substantial looking leg so it looked 333 00:15:45,869 --> 00:15:43,479 like a factory-made thing rather than a 334 00:15:47,699 --> 00:15:45,879 spindly piece of wood you know so what I 335 00:15:52,169 --> 00:15:47,709 did was I went to the local coffee shop 336 00:15:54,689 --> 00:15:52,179 and I I took I asked him for the 337 00:15:57,929 --> 00:15:54,699 cardboard rolls that carpets are rolled 338 00:16:00,089 --> 00:15:57,939 onto so I got some of these called 339 00:16:03,539 --> 00:16:00,099 carpet roll you know the cardboard 340 00:16:05,449 --> 00:16:03,549 inserts - yeah - yeah like a cardboard 341 00:16:08,099 --> 00:16:05,459 tube and what I did I cut it to length 342 00:16:11,159 --> 00:16:08,109 sprayed it matte black and I put it over 343 00:16:12,629 --> 00:16:11,169 the leg so now the leg looks round as 344 00:16:16,469 --> 00:16:12,639 opposed to square which looks more 345 00:16:18,239 --> 00:16:16,479 machined so if it was homemade nobody 346 00:16:20,969 --> 00:16:18,249 would go to that trouble of machining a 347 00:16:23,710 --> 00:16:20,979 leg you know so it just gives another 348 00:16:25,449 --> 00:16:23,720 level of impossibility another level of 349 00:16:27,100 --> 00:16:25,459 you know why did they go that that bit 350 00:16:28,540 --> 00:16:27,110 further well actually it's a bit of 351 00:16:30,610 --> 00:16:28,550 cardboard and if you were there I'm sure 352 00:16:33,160 --> 00:16:30,620 you'd see that it wasn't solid but 353 00:16:37,509 --> 00:16:33,170 because filmed and it's it's all part of 354 00:16:39,400 --> 00:16:37,519 a sturdy wooden table you by the fact 355 00:16:44,050 --> 00:16:39,410 that it's it must be metal that follows 356 00:16:47,829 --> 00:16:44,060 on with the metal top so lots of little 357 00:16:50,050 --> 00:16:47,839 little signs that tells you it's not 358 00:16:51,610 --> 00:16:50,060 real but a look 359 00:16:53,829 --> 00:16:51,620 you wouldn't know to look yeah did you 360 00:16:55,840 --> 00:16:53,839 not say I think you use some wallpaper 361 00:16:59,769 --> 00:16:55,850 paste tables or did you not somewhere 362 00:17:03,340 --> 00:16:59,779 but yeah you know on the debrief footage 363 00:17:08,110 --> 00:17:03,350 yeah yeah I built a tent which was 364 00:17:11,020 --> 00:17:08,120 inside the room and so that tent I put 365 00:17:12,850 --> 00:17:11,030 two collapsible tables inside they would 366 00:17:15,370 --> 00:17:12,860 have if it was a military situation they 367 00:17:17,710 --> 00:17:15,380 would have these tables and what I did 368 00:17:20,409 --> 00:17:17,720 was I took wallpaper paste tables that 369 00:17:22,000 --> 00:17:20,419 you buy the ready-made ones and I cut 370 00:17:23,649 --> 00:17:22,010 them down so that they were shorter and 371 00:17:26,020 --> 00:17:23,659 then just put them all back together 372 00:17:29,529 --> 00:17:26,030 again so I've literally I took about a 373 00:17:32,620 --> 00:17:29,539 foot off each half so they didn't look 374 00:17:34,409 --> 00:17:32,630 like wallpaper tape okay because the 375 00:17:37,480 --> 00:17:34,419 first thing you do is we if you saw this 376 00:17:39,279 --> 00:17:37,490 full-size as a wallpaper table you would 377 00:17:41,260 --> 00:17:39,289 immediately think I've seen this before 378 00:17:43,299 --> 00:17:41,270 because I shut the shape and the style 379 00:17:46,120 --> 00:17:43,309 and I'll thing hmm is something familiar 380 00:17:49,600 --> 00:17:46,130 to you but if you see it as a smaller 381 00:17:51,279 --> 00:17:49,610 more out of out of proportion shape your 382 00:17:53,320 --> 00:17:51,289 mind doesn't go towards a wallpaper 383 00:17:57,100 --> 00:17:53,330 table it just goes towards it's just a 384 00:17:59,770 --> 00:17:57,110 table it's just you know and what we did 385 00:18:02,200 --> 00:17:59,780 was we painted to the table first of all 386 00:18:05,950 --> 00:18:02,210 I sprayed it matte black then I sprayed 387 00:18:08,680 --> 00:18:05,960 it with a dark brown color and then I 388 00:18:11,049 --> 00:18:08,690 sprayed it with a lighter grey and then 389 00:18:14,289 --> 00:18:11,059 with a brillo pad you once it's all dry 390 00:18:16,570 --> 00:18:14,299 you then rub it all over the top and you 391 00:18:18,520 --> 00:18:16,580 take layers of paint off so you start to 392 00:18:21,430 --> 00:18:18,530 reveal bits of brown and bits of black 393 00:18:23,049 --> 00:18:21,440 and the bits of white well obviously in 394 00:18:26,140 --> 00:18:23,059 black and white all it is is shades of 395 00:18:27,789 --> 00:18:26,150 grey but it shows an aged table it shows 396 00:18:30,039 --> 00:18:27,799 a table that's been weathered and used 397 00:18:32,740 --> 00:18:30,049 outside and it doesn't it doesn't look 398 00:18:36,880 --> 00:18:32,750 like a brand new wallpaper table you 399 00:18:37,510 --> 00:18:36,890 know so so yeah that's um that's a good 400 00:18:40,150 --> 00:18:37,520 point 401 00:18:42,130 --> 00:18:40,160 that's yeah she's something I remember 402 00:18:43,600 --> 00:18:42,140 from your your own presentations at UT 403 00:18:48,970 --> 00:18:43,610 does it it may be giggling actually 404 00:18:52,360 --> 00:18:48,980 would you would you sell yes we know the 405 00:18:54,460 --> 00:18:52,370 whole story is quite funny yeah yeah it 406 00:18:56,140 --> 00:18:54,470 is taking liberties the whole timing and 407 00:18:58,630 --> 00:18:56,150 you don't know because you're never 408 00:18:59,350 --> 00:18:58,640 gonna see where it came from how it 409 00:19:01,660 --> 00:18:59,360 started 410 00:19:03,760 --> 00:19:01,670 you know all you see is the end result 411 00:19:05,770 --> 00:19:03,770 and you think wow you know this is a 412 00:19:09,970 --> 00:19:05,780 groundbreaking thing but an actual fact 413 00:19:11,860 --> 00:19:09,980 the truth is really funny you know I 414 00:19:15,010 --> 00:19:11,870 bought I bought a gas mask from Camden 415 00:19:18,400 --> 00:19:15,020 Market and I wasn't sure whether I'm not 416 00:19:20,410 --> 00:19:18,410 the best mask in America were the same 417 00:19:22,000 --> 00:19:20,420 as they were in England and I took a big 418 00:19:24,940 --> 00:19:22,010 chance I just put I just put it in the 419 00:19:26,560 --> 00:19:24,950 set and I'll you know what it's gonna be 420 00:19:28,600 --> 00:19:26,570 the same you know and it's not gonna be 421 00:19:30,280 --> 00:19:28,610 very visible and a lot of people miss it 422 00:19:32,680 --> 00:19:30,290 but if you look in the debris footage on 423 00:19:34,900 --> 00:19:32,690 the center pole of the tent you'll see 424 00:19:37,630 --> 00:19:34,910 hanging down there's a gas mask hmm 425 00:19:39,550 --> 00:19:37,640 and it's just a bit of just a bit of 426 00:19:41,770 --> 00:19:39,560 padding it's just another thing to see 427 00:19:44,110 --> 00:19:41,780 and it's another set another layer of 428 00:19:46,030 --> 00:19:44,120 making it real hmm you know you keep 429 00:19:47,410 --> 00:19:46,040 adding things and it's too much it 430 00:19:49,450 --> 00:19:47,420 becomes too much they wouldn't go to 431 00:19:53,770 --> 00:19:49,460 that much trouble actually we did we 432 00:19:55,900 --> 00:19:53,780 went to enormous yeah yeah when you 433 00:19:57,400 --> 00:19:55,910 decided to do the idea with six fingers 434 00:19:59,800 --> 00:19:57,410 I think there was a bit of a story about 435 00:20:06,070 --> 00:19:59,810 that wasn't there forum because you 436 00:20:07,540 --> 00:20:06,080 decided I think you did yeah you did 437 00:20:09,490 --> 00:20:07,550 mention about the six fingers but you 438 00:20:13,860 --> 00:20:09,500 didn't actually till go to detail about 439 00:20:18,100 --> 00:20:13,870 it well I like collecting stories 440 00:20:19,990 --> 00:20:18,110 mythology and philosophy and various 441 00:20:21,820 --> 00:20:20,000 fables and so I'll collect them you know 442 00:20:24,820 --> 00:20:21,830 they'll miss it the back of my mind I'm 443 00:20:27,910 --> 00:20:24,830 amused by them and some of the things I 444 00:20:32,680 --> 00:20:27,920 picked up as I went along was a number 445 00:20:36,460 --> 00:20:32,690 of people or fabled people or situations 446 00:20:39,480 --> 00:20:36,470 in in history talk about six fingers and 447 00:20:42,520 --> 00:20:39,490 six toes and I found that fascinating 448 00:20:45,340 --> 00:20:42,530 really Cleopatra had six fingers and six 449 00:20:48,490 --> 00:20:45,350 toes hmm so you immediately you've got 450 00:20:50,230 --> 00:20:48,500 Cleopatra ancient Egypt the pyramids and 451 00:20:51,190 --> 00:20:50,240 the hieroglyphs and you've got these six 452 00:20:54,370 --> 00:20:51,200 fingers and six 453 00:20:58,779 --> 00:20:54,380 all go together then you then you talk 454 00:21:00,159 --> 00:20:58,789 about the Fallen Angels in the Bible the 455 00:21:03,730 --> 00:21:00,169 Fallen Angels that were put on earth to 456 00:21:08,379 --> 00:21:03,740 look after Adam and Eve and Adam and Eve 457 00:21:12,580 --> 00:21:08,389 children these angels had six fingers 458 00:21:16,120 --> 00:21:12,590 and six toes and they they fell from 459 00:21:19,360 --> 00:21:16,130 grace when they when they procreated 460 00:21:20,940 --> 00:21:19,370 with Adam and Eve's daughters you know 461 00:21:25,779 --> 00:21:20,950 the story I'm just looking at yeah yeah 462 00:21:27,639 --> 00:21:25,789 yeah so so what would the offspring be 463 00:21:30,129 --> 00:21:27,649 you know that was a big question for me 464 00:21:33,039 --> 00:21:30,139 I look at it these angels who are Giants 465 00:21:36,820 --> 00:21:33,049 and six fingers or six toes have babies 466 00:21:38,350 --> 00:21:36,830 with humans under what the the baby 467 00:21:39,940 --> 00:21:38,360 would be you know what do you have six 468 00:21:43,299 --> 00:21:39,950 fingers and six turns we're deal you 469 00:21:46,269 --> 00:21:43,309 know so so that's a nice open open story 470 00:21:51,220 --> 00:21:46,279 then I then I found out later as well 471 00:21:53,289 --> 00:21:51,230 that there are carvings in with American 472 00:21:56,590 --> 00:21:53,299 Indians on totem poles and then clay 473 00:21:59,860 --> 00:21:56,600 caves and all sorts and there are giants 474 00:22:02,080 --> 00:21:59,870 who in the cut in the drawings in the 475 00:22:03,580 --> 00:22:02,090 cave drawings of stuff they they're 476 00:22:06,759 --> 00:22:03,590 these giants that are running alongside 477 00:22:09,100 --> 00:22:06,769 Buffalo and they pick up the Buffalo 478 00:22:11,049 --> 00:22:09,110 under their arm that's how big these 479 00:22:12,940 --> 00:22:11,059 things are and but a human looking you 480 00:22:16,269 --> 00:22:12,950 know hmm and they've got six fingers and 481 00:22:19,870 --> 00:22:16,279 six toes okay so around the globe we've 482 00:22:22,330 --> 00:22:19,880 got lots of stories about six fingers 483 00:22:24,129 --> 00:22:22,340 and six toes without the internet and 484 00:22:27,159 --> 00:22:24,139 without all that communication so you 485 00:22:28,720 --> 00:22:27,169 know no one's talked to anybody about it 486 00:22:30,700 --> 00:22:28,730 so it's not about it's not like the 487 00:22:34,740 --> 00:22:30,710 American Indians have spoken to the 488 00:22:37,440 --> 00:22:34,750 Aztecs or to the ancient Egyptians or 489 00:22:39,389 --> 00:22:37,450 people in Jerusalem they wrote the Bible 490 00:22:43,090 --> 00:22:39,399 you know all these people 491 00:22:44,680 --> 00:22:43,100 they couldn't have that so it does 492 00:22:47,889 --> 00:22:44,690 fascinate me actually had a actually 493 00:22:49,269 --> 00:22:47,899 yeah you know civilization so far apart 494 00:22:54,580 --> 00:22:49,279 though they couldn't have influenced 495 00:22:57,009 --> 00:22:54,590 each other good thing yeah all some 496 00:22:59,019 --> 00:22:57,019 things influenced them but if you go one 497 00:23:01,750 --> 00:22:59,029 one step further right we talk about 498 00:23:04,989 --> 00:23:01,760 biblical times of stuff remember Samson 499 00:23:08,259 --> 00:23:04,999 and Goliath yeah well Goliath had six 500 00:23:10,689 --> 00:23:08,269 six-toes the giant Goliath yeah so 501 00:23:12,579 --> 00:23:10,699 there's lots and lots of things in you 502 00:23:14,259 --> 00:23:12,589 know in history people in history and 503 00:23:17,669 --> 00:23:14,269 creatures an issue that has six things 504 00:23:21,189 --> 00:23:17,679 6,000 so I thought if we're going to a 505 00:23:24,099 --> 00:23:21,199 advanced creature somebody from the 506 00:23:26,799 --> 00:23:24,109 future they wouldn't have three fingers 507 00:23:28,569 --> 00:23:26,809 and a claw which is what the most of the 508 00:23:30,219 --> 00:23:28,579 eyewitnesses said when they saw when 509 00:23:31,779 --> 00:23:30,229 they saw aliens they they've always had 510 00:23:34,329 --> 00:23:31,789 two had three fingers and you know what 511 00:23:36,729 --> 00:23:34,339 that's a bit jokey and it tells me 512 00:23:39,099 --> 00:23:36,739 they've made it up in my head I don't 513 00:23:41,379 --> 00:23:39,109 know if a fact right now in my head it 514 00:23:43,179 --> 00:23:41,389 sounds like a made-up story because they 515 00:23:45,099 --> 00:23:43,189 haven't thought it through how what 516 00:23:47,259 --> 00:23:45,109 should we do to describe an alien I know 517 00:23:50,109 --> 00:23:47,269 let's make it green that's a joke using 518 00:23:53,589 --> 00:23:50,119 new let's let's give it antennas on its 519 00:23:55,809 --> 00:23:53,599 head and big black eyes and three 520 00:23:57,579 --> 00:23:55,819 fingers music already this is a 521 00:23:59,409 --> 00:23:57,589 ridiculous creature is something that 522 00:24:00,729 --> 00:23:59,419 somebody who's not educated would you 523 00:24:03,059 --> 00:24:00,739 feel about it you couldn't do much with 524 00:24:07,719 --> 00:24:03,069 it like that could you your fingers are 525 00:24:10,839 --> 00:24:07,729 it's not going it's becoming a chicken's 526 00:24:12,729 --> 00:24:10,849 foot so so you don't advanced to answer 527 00:24:14,589 --> 00:24:12,739 this another finger because if you we 528 00:24:16,899 --> 00:24:14,599 will work or keyboards and work on you 529 00:24:19,299 --> 00:24:16,909 know you think another finger will be 530 00:24:24,069 --> 00:24:19,309 very using your right one finger less 531 00:24:26,019 --> 00:24:24,079 would be less useful so so when I talk 532 00:24:27,309 --> 00:24:26,029 about people not being educated doesn't 533 00:24:29,139 --> 00:24:27,319 mean they're stupid I don't mean they're 534 00:24:31,599 --> 00:24:29,149 they're less educated than myself I'm 535 00:24:34,509 --> 00:24:31,609 talking about less educated in creative 536 00:24:37,599 --> 00:24:34,519 arts yeah because if you if you haven't 537 00:24:40,299 --> 00:24:37,609 a creative flair you can either do the 538 00:24:42,879 --> 00:24:40,309 easy thing which is the cheesy thing or 539 00:24:45,039 --> 00:24:42,889 you can really go for the sophisticated 540 00:24:46,959 --> 00:24:45,049 and if you go for the sophisticated you 541 00:24:50,199 --> 00:24:46,969 think it through and you make it 542 00:24:52,959 --> 00:24:50,209 plausible and this is what we did John 543 00:24:54,789 --> 00:24:52,969 is a sculptor Johnny's is into Anatomy 544 00:24:57,819 --> 00:24:54,799 he knows about Anatomy he studied 545 00:25:00,129 --> 00:24:57,829 Anatomy because he he he sculpts the 546 00:25:01,629 --> 00:25:00,139 human form right and you need to know 547 00:25:03,999 --> 00:25:01,639 where every muscle is every bone is 548 00:25:06,789 --> 00:25:04,009 every you know so he knows his stuff 549 00:25:09,459 --> 00:25:06,799 there I've got an a-level in in human 550 00:25:12,339 --> 00:25:09,469 biology I'm interested in the subject 551 00:25:16,109 --> 00:25:12,349 I'm not an expert by any means of the 552 00:25:19,150 --> 00:25:16,119 imagination part I am an artist and 553 00:25:20,950 --> 00:25:19,160 together we sat and said okay 554 00:25:22,870 --> 00:25:20,960 we both agreed these these creatures 555 00:25:26,320 --> 00:25:22,880 wouldn't have five fingers and they 556 00:25:28,600 --> 00:25:26,330 wouldn't have three fingers so it's got 557 00:25:29,680 --> 00:25:28,610 to be four fingers and a thumb and 558 00:25:31,570 --> 00:25:29,690 opposable thumb 559 00:25:35,020 --> 00:25:31,580 so sorry five fingers and an opposable 560 00:25:36,820 --> 00:25:35,030 thumb so the six in total so we then 561 00:25:38,290 --> 00:25:36,830 looked up in the medical journals and we 562 00:25:41,410 --> 00:25:38,300 found there's a condition called 563 00:25:45,010 --> 00:25:41,420 polydactyly where human beings grow an 564 00:25:46,780 --> 00:25:45,020 extra toe or an extra finger but very 565 00:25:49,510 --> 00:25:46,790 rare in fact we didn't find a single 566 00:25:53,170 --> 00:25:49,520 instance where one person had six 567 00:25:54,970 --> 00:25:53,180 fingers and six toes so so that's on a 568 00:25:57,220 --> 00:25:54,980 very unusual thing it might have 569 00:25:58,780 --> 00:25:57,230 happened in history I see one recently 570 00:26:00,970 --> 00:25:58,790 on Facebook I'd see somebody putting a 571 00:26:06,460 --> 00:26:00,980 finger a picture up with a girl with six 572 00:26:08,280 --> 00:26:06,470 toes fingers yeah what do you find is 573 00:26:12,130 --> 00:26:08,290 they either have six fingers or six pose 574 00:26:16,930 --> 00:26:12,140 or just on one hand but they don't have 575 00:26:21,460 --> 00:26:16,940 them on all four you know yeah yeah 576 00:26:23,110 --> 00:26:21,470 images so so going from that the other 577 00:26:25,240 --> 00:26:23,120 thing that we found is polydactyly 578 00:26:28,510 --> 00:26:25,250 didn't mean they had perfectly formed 579 00:26:31,210 --> 00:26:28,520 fingers and hands and feet they had a 580 00:26:33,520 --> 00:26:31,220 little finger sprouting out sideways for 581 00:26:35,770 --> 00:26:33,530 example so it looked odd you didn't look 582 00:26:39,520 --> 00:26:35,780 useful it wasn't a working finger it was 583 00:26:42,100 --> 00:26:39,530 just another growth right so our 584 00:26:45,070 --> 00:26:42,110 challenge was to make two was to make a 585 00:26:48,490 --> 00:26:45,080 creature that had hands with six fingers 586 00:26:50,470 --> 00:26:48,500 and six toes that looked really good did 587 00:26:51,970 --> 00:26:50,480 it look like an extra bit added on it 588 00:26:52,390 --> 00:26:51,980 looked like this is how this thing was 589 00:26:58,480 --> 00:26:52,400 born 590 00:27:01,180 --> 00:26:58,490 so there can't be any question this is 591 00:27:05,740 --> 00:27:01,190 polydactyly it's not a human being with 592 00:27:08,080 --> 00:27:05,750 polydactyly so Jon did an amazing job 593 00:27:11,980 --> 00:27:08,090 because everybody that I've seen has 594 00:27:13,660 --> 00:27:11,990 tried to copy the the creature has 595 00:27:14,710 --> 00:27:13,670 always made the hands a bit too wide 596 00:27:17,890 --> 00:27:14,720 because they've had to add another 597 00:27:20,260 --> 00:27:17,900 finger where where Jon Jon hasn't 598 00:27:22,480 --> 00:27:20,270 started off with a five fingered hand 599 00:27:24,850 --> 00:27:22,490 and added a finger John sculpted the 600 00:27:26,880 --> 00:27:24,860 entire thing from scratch and it takes a 601 00:27:31,480 --> 00:27:26,890 very very talented sculptor to do that 602 00:27:32,680 --> 00:27:31,490 so so that scores a lot of points 603 00:27:35,650 --> 00:27:32,690 because the 604 00:27:38,020 --> 00:27:35,660 Gani quality of the sculpt was so good 605 00:27:40,210 --> 00:27:38,030 that it looked real hmm looked like 606 00:27:42,330 --> 00:27:40,220 somebody's added a finger or it's you 607 00:27:44,680 --> 00:27:42,340 know it's a big joke he's a little bit 608 00:27:49,270 --> 00:27:44,690 well it was important that our creature 609 00:27:50,500 --> 00:27:49,280 wasn't was sinister and not cuddly and I 610 00:27:56,350 --> 00:27:50,510 don't know I don't know that makes sense 611 00:27:59,580 --> 00:27:56,360 what just said no alien doesn't look 612 00:28:02,830 --> 00:27:59,590 sinister at all it was made it was made 613 00:28:04,480 --> 00:28:02,840 family-friendly so you know you could 614 00:28:07,870 --> 00:28:04,490 have a younger audience watching it and 615 00:28:10,060 --> 00:28:07,880 there wasn't nudity like ours there's 616 00:28:12,310 --> 00:28:10,070 nudity you actually see a vagina can see 617 00:28:15,700 --> 00:28:12,320 know where the item that one was a bit 618 00:28:17,860 --> 00:28:15,710 tamer it because it was color it was 619 00:28:21,100 --> 00:28:17,870 pink it was made to look a bit more 620 00:28:23,740 --> 00:28:21,110 friendly it actually had a bigger head 621 00:28:26,520 --> 00:28:23,750 you know so it became a little bit less 622 00:28:34,540 --> 00:28:26,530 sinister the eyes were friendlier hmm 623 00:28:37,960 --> 00:28:34,550 more cartoony I suppose you yeah we're 624 00:28:41,350 --> 00:28:37,970 with us it was hardcore sinister this is 625 00:28:43,450 --> 00:28:41,360 scary yeah you know and it was important 626 00:28:46,390 --> 00:28:43,460 that happened because when you're making 627 00:28:49,540 --> 00:28:46,400 a film about an alien you run the risk 628 00:28:51,210 --> 00:28:49,550 of it being jokey put it can't be it's 629 00:28:53,860 --> 00:28:51,220 just gotta be funny it's this can't be 630 00:28:56,950 --> 00:28:53,870 serious you know if you look at what 631 00:28:59,920 --> 00:28:56,960 what Steven Spielberg did with et he 632 00:29:02,080 --> 00:28:59,930 made it cute hmm you know because it's 633 00:29:03,670 --> 00:29:02,090 the kids if he made it sinister and 634 00:29:06,610 --> 00:29:03,680 scary it would be a whole different film 635 00:29:07,930 --> 00:29:06,620 so what we wanted to do is to make 636 00:29:10,480 --> 00:29:07,940 something that looked like it could hurt 637 00:29:12,790 --> 00:29:10,490 you look like it could have an ulterior 638 00:29:16,140 --> 00:29:12,800 motive look like it could be aggressive 639 00:29:19,510 --> 00:29:16,150 look like you know it was quite powerful 640 00:29:21,790 --> 00:29:19,520 so we didn't go for the little fin neck 641 00:29:22,210 --> 00:29:21,800 that holds a big head that didn't make 642 00:29:26,170 --> 00:29:22,220 sense 643 00:29:28,360 --> 00:29:26,180 needed to make it as of quite strong 644 00:29:31,090 --> 00:29:28,370 Nick you know to hold this big hair 645 00:29:32,890 --> 00:29:31,100 doesn't make sense you'd always get 646 00:29:34,750 --> 00:29:32,900 people arguing you know what how do we 647 00:29:36,580 --> 00:29:34,760 know what's in an alien's head and how 648 00:29:39,370 --> 00:29:36,590 do we know how heavy it is you know we 649 00:29:40,630 --> 00:29:39,380 don't you know but if you're started 650 00:29:42,150 --> 00:29:40,640 with scratch and making it up you must 651 00:29:45,160 --> 00:29:42,160 well make it up and make it believable 652 00:29:46,330 --> 00:29:45,170 right that's the bottom line is if you 653 00:29:49,470 --> 00:29:46,340 make it too 654 00:29:51,820 --> 00:29:49,480 Wi-Fi you could go off the other end of 655 00:29:55,240 --> 00:29:51,830 this is not believable it's not it's not 656 00:29:58,360 --> 00:29:55,250 credible so the six fingers and six toes 657 00:30:00,820 --> 00:29:58,370 were credible and when you start to 658 00:30:01,299 --> 00:30:00,830 scratch the surface and say well hold on 659 00:30:03,460 --> 00:30:01,309 a minute 660 00:30:06,690 --> 00:30:03,470 the eyewitnesses said there they saw 661 00:30:10,060 --> 00:30:06,700 three fingers and a claw and the thumb 662 00:30:12,789 --> 00:30:10,070 so this one's got six fingers so how's 663 00:30:14,350 --> 00:30:12,799 that weather that work well the double 664 00:30:16,240 --> 00:30:14,360 whammy of course is that why would a 665 00:30:19,000 --> 00:30:16,250 hoax that go against what this wooden 666 00:30:21,549 --> 00:30:19,010 people said they saw so it's a double 667 00:30:22,659 --> 00:30:21,559 bluff it has to be real because a hoax I 668 00:30:26,919 --> 00:30:22,669 would just go with what they've said 669 00:30:30,070 --> 00:30:26,929 yeah you know so there's lot of layers 670 00:30:32,289 --> 00:30:30,080 but the mic when my book finally comes 671 00:30:36,600 --> 00:30:32,299 out you will see there's a whole chapter 672 00:30:41,110 --> 00:30:36,610 about the backstory of who this alien is 673 00:30:41,769 --> 00:30:41,120 where it came from how it reproduces how 674 00:30:45,970 --> 00:30:41,779 what it eats 675 00:30:48,880 --> 00:30:45,980 how it lives how it dies all the things 676 00:30:52,200 --> 00:30:48,890 about it so because I had to write that 677 00:30:55,350 --> 00:30:52,210 story before I film this alien because 678 00:30:57,820 --> 00:30:55,360 although it's a dead alien on a table 679 00:31:02,680 --> 00:30:57,830 everything about it before it died 680 00:31:06,430 --> 00:31:02,690 needed to be true in the dead body okay 681 00:31:07,990 --> 00:31:06,440 so so when you're cutting it open when 682 00:31:10,389 --> 00:31:08,000 you're looking at it in inspecting it 683 00:31:13,720 --> 00:31:10,399 and trying to find any several ends of 684 00:31:17,169 --> 00:31:13,730 order you need to have something 685 00:31:19,750 --> 00:31:17,179 tangible to fall on and experts would 686 00:31:21,519 --> 00:31:19,760 either pick up on these things or they 687 00:31:23,649 --> 00:31:21,529 won't and that was the gamble we took 688 00:31:26,019 --> 00:31:23,659 you know all these things about the six 689 00:31:28,000 --> 00:31:26,029 six fingers and six toes 690 00:31:30,250 --> 00:31:28,010 very few people picked up on the fact 691 00:31:32,200 --> 00:31:30,260 that hold on you know that this this is 692 00:31:32,880 --> 00:31:32,210 a quite a common thing in in ancient 693 00:31:38,380 --> 00:31:32,890 times 694 00:31:41,159 --> 00:31:38,390 so is this us from the future but the 695 00:31:45,010 --> 00:31:41,169 same us that was visiting the past hmm 696 00:31:50,669 --> 00:31:45,020 okay so so were these futuristic 697 00:31:53,019 --> 00:31:50,679 creatures visiting the Egyptians and 698 00:31:55,539 --> 00:31:53,029 asking them to do stuff for them build 699 00:31:57,909 --> 00:31:55,549 up these pyramids and we'll make you 700 00:32:00,010 --> 00:31:57,919 kings and you'll look after the minions 701 00:32:02,320 --> 00:32:00,020 and we'll give you immense wealth 702 00:32:04,420 --> 00:32:02,330 and that makes a lot of sense because if 703 00:32:06,700 --> 00:32:04,430 you are making up by the way but it's 704 00:32:08,230 --> 00:32:06,710 not it's not no no believe it's true 705 00:32:09,010 --> 00:32:08,240 right I don't believe it's true but it 706 00:32:11,320 --> 00:32:09,020 makes a lot of sense 707 00:32:13,990 --> 00:32:11,330 because if you go by what the ancient 708 00:32:15,730 --> 00:32:14,000 Egyptians and even in modern days if you 709 00:32:17,530 --> 00:32:15,740 go by the ancient Greeks and what they 710 00:32:20,290 --> 00:32:17,540 tell you about all the many gods that 711 00:32:23,220 --> 00:32:20,300 they were many plenty of gods right and 712 00:32:25,540 --> 00:32:23,230 they're all different gods now what if 713 00:32:28,990 --> 00:32:25,550 the gods they're talking about our 714 00:32:31,960 --> 00:32:29,000 aliens what if those aliens materialized 715 00:32:33,820 --> 00:32:31,970 and said we need you to do this this and 716 00:32:35,770 --> 00:32:33,830 this will show you how to build these 717 00:32:39,850 --> 00:32:35,780 pyramids we need to do that we move in 718 00:32:41,860 --> 00:32:39,860 the other and we'll give you wealth so 719 00:32:44,590 --> 00:32:41,870 you're going to be a king and we need 720 00:32:45,880 --> 00:32:44,600 you to muster the troops and we'll give 721 00:32:47,740 --> 00:32:45,890 you lots of money so you can pay them 722 00:32:50,470 --> 00:32:47,750 and they they'll respect you too because 723 00:32:54,610 --> 00:32:50,480 you're the king and but we're your gods 724 00:32:56,380 --> 00:32:54,620 you answer to us and they that's what 725 00:33:00,250 --> 00:32:56,390 they do think I often eat the answer to 726 00:33:03,130 --> 00:33:00,260 the gods that they talk about and for me 727 00:33:06,430 --> 00:33:03,140 that fitted quite nicely so the six 728 00:33:10,450 --> 00:33:06,440 fingers or six toes I felt blended 729 00:33:14,200 --> 00:33:10,460 itself to that and then I had this issue 730 00:33:15,610 --> 00:33:14,210 where I still don't believe and this is 731 00:33:16,930 --> 00:33:15,620 me by the way and I don't you know I'm 732 00:33:19,150 --> 00:33:16,940 not going to go against anybody else's 733 00:33:22,600 --> 00:33:19,160 beliefs but but I don't believe that 734 00:33:25,390 --> 00:33:22,610 aliens are visiting our planet right I 735 00:33:28,510 --> 00:33:25,400 don't think they got they are and I tell 736 00:33:29,590 --> 00:33:28,520 you why I say that I've met too many 737 00:33:32,110 --> 00:33:29,600 people that have told me they've seen 738 00:33:34,600 --> 00:33:32,120 aliens and they haven't I've caught the 739 00:33:35,740 --> 00:33:34,610 mountain that they haven't okay so I 740 00:33:38,530 --> 00:33:35,750 don't know who to believe 741 00:33:40,900 --> 00:33:38,540 then I speak to scientists who tell me 742 00:33:43,330 --> 00:33:40,910 and if you do these you can just do a 743 00:33:46,600 --> 00:33:43,340 very very easy research yourself and 744 00:33:50,080 --> 00:33:46,610 you'll find that we haven't found life 745 00:33:52,930 --> 00:33:50,090 in our galaxy and that's hundreds of 746 00:33:57,250 --> 00:33:52,940 light-years away right as far as we can 747 00:33:58,840 --> 00:33:57,260 go we haven't found life so so it's got 748 00:34:00,430 --> 00:33:58,850 to be beyond that I'm not saying they 749 00:34:03,010 --> 00:34:00,440 don't exist I'm just saying that's in 750 00:34:04,570 --> 00:34:03,020 there visited our planet and the reason 751 00:34:06,460 --> 00:34:04,580 I say that today I'm they might have 752 00:34:09,520 --> 00:34:06,470 done in the past because they may live 753 00:34:13,330 --> 00:34:09,530 nearer let's suppose let's make up a 754 00:34:13,780 --> 00:34:13,340 story right what what if aliens lived on 755 00:34:49,060 --> 00:34:13,790 a 756 00:34:51,040 --> 00:34:49,070 it's not too difficult to get to us well 757 00:34:55,090 --> 00:34:51,050 I feel like that we are actually though 758 00:34:56,440 --> 00:34:55,100 yeah the remains of what maybe it may 759 00:34:58,690 --> 00:34:56,450 have came here many many many years ago 760 00:35:00,640 --> 00:34:58,700 so you know what that makes sense if you 761 00:35:01,990 --> 00:35:00,650 speak to if you speak to the scientists 762 00:35:04,470 --> 00:35:02,000 they'll tell you that the human race 763 00:35:07,360 --> 00:35:04,480 were all Negroes at the beginning 764 00:35:10,750 --> 00:35:07,370 everyone was black so so they're the 765 00:35:14,110 --> 00:35:10,760 human race and then then slowly slowly 766 00:35:17,740 --> 00:35:14,120 that that that gene pool got diluted 767 00:35:20,410 --> 00:35:17,750 with various other DNA so that would 768 00:35:22,000 --> 00:35:20,420 explain how the Chinese for example in 769 00:35:23,590 --> 00:35:22,010 the Japanese are so different from us 770 00:35:26,550 --> 00:35:23,600 and yet they're human hmm 771 00:35:30,460 --> 00:35:26,560 they are different and so are so are 772 00:35:32,980 --> 00:35:30,470 other Asians and black people are 773 00:35:34,030 --> 00:35:32,990 different in their own way and and all 774 00:35:37,210 --> 00:35:34,040 sorts of people they're all different 775 00:35:42,010 --> 00:35:37,220 but we're all human so is it possible we 776 00:35:44,440 --> 00:35:42,020 share we share we share DNA and we have 777 00:35:46,690 --> 00:35:44,450 had a dilution from an outside source 778 00:35:49,150 --> 00:35:46,700 you know what I don't know it's good 779 00:35:50,320 --> 00:35:49,160 story it's a great story yeah make a lot 780 00:35:54,700 --> 00:35:50,330 of money if you get your answer there 781 00:35:56,680 --> 00:35:54,710 anyway yeah theories about it yeah but 782 00:35:59,020 --> 00:35:56,690 but if that's the case right and they 783 00:36:01,270 --> 00:35:59,030 did they did live nearer and they did 784 00:36:03,670 --> 00:36:01,280 come here and we are we are their 785 00:36:05,460 --> 00:36:03,680 cousins that's fine right I don't have a 786 00:36:09,630 --> 00:36:05,470 problem with that I don't know but 787 00:36:13,600 --> 00:36:09,640 here's the thing now right for for a 788 00:36:16,510 --> 00:36:13,610 species is alive and living in in a 789 00:36:19,900 --> 00:36:16,520 galaxy somewhere for them to come to 790 00:36:25,030 --> 00:36:19,910 earth they would have to be able to live 791 00:36:27,900 --> 00:36:25,040 forever because we know that if we were 792 00:36:30,420 --> 00:36:27,910 to travel the distance we need to go we 793 00:36:33,000 --> 00:36:30,430 die before we get there because we are 794 00:36:35,130 --> 00:36:33,010 going to live to 100 years old if we try 795 00:36:39,240 --> 00:36:35,140 and speed up the process our bodies will 796 00:36:41,250 --> 00:36:39,250 break up in the g-forces so so there's 797 00:36:42,420 --> 00:36:41,260 there's limitations as to what we can do 798 00:36:45,950 --> 00:36:42,430 to get there quicker 799 00:36:48,599 --> 00:36:45,960 okay now we've all heard the story about 800 00:36:51,720 --> 00:36:48,609 cockroaches and how they would they 801 00:36:54,839 --> 00:36:51,730 would sustain more g-forces and they'd 802 00:36:58,760 --> 00:36:54,849 sustain more radiation and we would so 803 00:37:01,440 --> 00:36:58,770 in an in an event of a nuclear whatever 804 00:37:03,839 --> 00:37:01,450 explosion the things that have been left 805 00:37:06,720 --> 00:37:03,849 over will be the cockroaches that's the 806 00:37:09,359 --> 00:37:06,730 story we hear right so I thought well 807 00:37:12,960 --> 00:37:09,369 I've got to make my alien either live 808 00:37:15,930 --> 00:37:12,970 forever which I don't know how to do 809 00:37:18,029 --> 00:37:15,940 that while we were talking about it 810 00:37:20,039 --> 00:37:18,039 that's at the time we couldn't we didn't 811 00:37:22,500 --> 00:37:20,049 know how to do that how do we make it 812 00:37:24,539 --> 00:37:22,510 live forever and show that and actually 813 00:37:25,829 --> 00:37:24,549 show it because just saying it and it 814 00:37:28,349 --> 00:37:25,839 should the body sitting there nobody 815 00:37:29,460 --> 00:37:28,359 knows unless it speak to us and we tell 816 00:37:31,289 --> 00:37:29,470 them oh you have a different River 817 00:37:32,309 --> 00:37:31,299 that's why they know you're not going to 818 00:37:34,500 --> 00:37:32,319 talk to me you're gonna have to look at 819 00:37:35,880 --> 00:37:34,510 it and make your own mind up we thought 820 00:37:37,460 --> 00:37:35,890 why don't we just not give it a 821 00:37:44,789 --> 00:37:37,470 bellybutton 822 00:37:49,559 --> 00:37:44,799 it wasn't born okay and if it wasn't 823 00:37:52,260 --> 00:37:49,569 born was it grown now that's a nice 824 00:37:53,910 --> 00:37:52,270 interesting situation now because if all 825 00:37:57,240 --> 00:37:53,920 you've got to do when you wear out your 826 00:38:00,359 --> 00:37:57,250 body is go into a new one you can now 827 00:38:03,539 --> 00:38:00,369 live forever Khan mmm-hmm right so the 828 00:38:06,740 --> 00:38:03,549 belly button missing is because it's not 829 00:38:10,349 --> 00:38:06,750 born it's grown it's a it's a it's a 830 00:38:12,569 --> 00:38:10,359 genetically created body right we're not 831 00:38:17,010 --> 00:38:12,579 far from that not today we can do that 832 00:38:20,549 --> 00:38:17,020 today we've done it with sheep so so is 833 00:38:22,589 --> 00:38:20,559 it possible that the spirit can can come 834 00:38:27,630 --> 00:38:22,599 out of this body and go into this body 835 00:38:30,480 --> 00:38:27,640 so if that is the correct way to go then 836 00:38:32,549 --> 00:38:30,490 these astronauts these alien astronauts 837 00:38:34,410 --> 00:38:32,559 that travel through time and space or 838 00:38:36,210 --> 00:38:34,420 whatever and they thousands of 839 00:38:39,329 --> 00:38:36,220 light-years away millions of light-years 840 00:38:41,780 --> 00:38:39,339 away they can still get here because 841 00:38:44,180 --> 00:38:41,790 it's only a case of wearing out 842 00:38:46,670 --> 00:38:44,190 slipping into a new one and then I 843 00:38:49,820 --> 00:38:46,680 thought well it's an awful long time to 844 00:38:54,020 --> 00:38:49,830 travel in this little thing right and 845 00:38:55,730 --> 00:38:54,030 this this this spaceship and how they 846 00:38:57,350 --> 00:38:55,740 know you can make it very big and you 847 00:39:05,330 --> 00:38:57,360 can put swim pool in it and tennis 848 00:39:07,040 --> 00:39:05,340 courts you know what if we if we make it 849 00:39:10,100 --> 00:39:07,050 the sort of thing that people say they 850 00:39:13,730 --> 00:39:10,110 saw they've seen all right why can't 851 00:39:15,530 --> 00:39:13,740 these creatures hibernate so what they 852 00:39:17,780 --> 00:39:15,540 do is they reduce their their blood 853 00:39:20,300 --> 00:39:17,790 pressure and their metabolism and 854 00:39:24,350 --> 00:39:20,310 everything to a point of near death and 855 00:39:26,930 --> 00:39:24,360 it asleep so that way the body needs to 856 00:39:28,640 --> 00:39:26,940 be nourished whilst they're sleeping but 857 00:39:31,370 --> 00:39:28,650 not as much as if they were alive and 858 00:39:33,380 --> 00:39:31,380 moving around very much like any 859 00:39:35,990 --> 00:39:33,390 cold-blooded animal animals that we know 860 00:39:38,900 --> 00:39:36,000 hibernated on earth so they could sleep 861 00:39:41,180 --> 00:39:38,910 for half a year so I thought okay if we 862 00:39:43,850 --> 00:39:41,190 make them so they can hibernate then 863 00:39:45,460 --> 00:39:43,860 they would have amide in my design I 864 00:39:48,800 --> 00:39:45,470 said well they can have two stomachs 865 00:39:50,780 --> 00:39:48,810 okay so I created situations and it had 866 00:39:53,660 --> 00:39:50,790 two stomachs and it's all part of the 867 00:39:58,760 --> 00:39:53,670 backstory the first stomach takes in the 868 00:40:02,510 --> 00:39:58,770 nutrients in by way of bacteria and that 869 00:40:04,520 --> 00:40:02,520 that bacteria then filters into the 870 00:40:07,910 --> 00:40:04,530 second stomach which is where the 871 00:40:10,880 --> 00:40:07,920 bacteria is then fed into the body okay 872 00:40:13,940 --> 00:40:10,890 so one stomach creates bacteria and 873 00:40:15,850 --> 00:40:13,950 itself itself creating because you just 874 00:40:19,760 --> 00:40:15,860 leave it more and more bacteria keeps 875 00:40:21,590 --> 00:40:19,770 creating okay so it becomes more and 876 00:40:22,970 --> 00:40:21,600 more and more and more the very same way 877 00:40:26,180 --> 00:40:22,980 that if you were to leave something to 878 00:40:28,730 --> 00:40:26,190 get moldy and and the bacteria level 879 00:40:31,130 --> 00:40:28,740 would just carry on growing right so 880 00:40:33,860 --> 00:40:31,140 that that was the way that I figured it 881 00:40:36,920 --> 00:40:33,870 I thought well if that happened and then 882 00:40:37,880 --> 00:40:36,930 the body died then that bacteria would 883 00:40:40,610 --> 00:40:37,890 still be alive 884 00:40:43,190 --> 00:40:40,620 and it would carry on producing but the 885 00:40:46,030 --> 00:40:43,200 body wouldn't be consuming so what would 886 00:40:49,240 --> 00:40:46,040 happen the stomach would then blow out 887 00:40:52,540 --> 00:40:49,250 so we made it look like it was pregnant 888 00:40:53,680 --> 00:40:52,550 deliberately because the backstory is 889 00:40:57,790 --> 00:40:53,690 that's 890 00:40:59,470 --> 00:40:57,800 just gas it's just bacteria growing in a 891 00:41:01,900 --> 00:40:59,480 stomach that's not feeding the second 892 00:41:03,940 --> 00:41:01,910 stomach so because it's dead so if it 893 00:41:06,310 --> 00:41:03,950 dies the second stomach is not consuming 894 00:41:08,380 --> 00:41:06,320 the bacteria the bacteria carries on 895 00:41:10,060 --> 00:41:08,390 reproducing and therefore it needs to 896 00:41:11,230 --> 00:41:10,070 expand and expand and expand and 897 00:41:14,740 --> 00:41:11,240 eventually this done that looked like a 898 00:41:18,880 --> 00:41:14,750 potbelly but but we made the creature 899 00:41:22,420 --> 00:41:18,890 look like it was female because two 900 00:41:24,930 --> 00:41:22,430 reasons right if it was male we would 901 00:41:29,400 --> 00:41:24,940 have to have to put a penis on it and 902 00:41:31,570 --> 00:41:29,410 that started to become a bit Pawnee yeah 903 00:41:32,470 --> 00:41:31,580 yeah and it started become a little bit 904 00:41:34,450 --> 00:41:32,480 jokey as well 905 00:41:37,210 --> 00:41:34,460 you put a penis on it and then suddenly 906 00:41:40,210 --> 00:41:37,220 it's like it's just too much it was too 907 00:41:42,910 --> 00:41:40,220 much it took away from the enormity of 908 00:41:44,830 --> 00:41:42,920 what we're looking at so I thought okay 909 00:41:46,120 --> 00:41:44,840 there was a joke there's a joke that 910 00:41:49,840 --> 00:41:46,130 goes ready so basically the joke goes 911 00:41:53,230 --> 00:41:49,850 you know when when God made men she was 912 00:41:56,860 --> 00:41:53,240 only joking right so because because our 913 00:42:00,790 --> 00:41:56,870 common our common bias is that God is a 914 00:42:02,890 --> 00:42:00,800 man and you know in the old days and not 915 00:42:05,440 --> 00:42:02,900 so much a day but you know 20 years ago 916 00:42:06,820 --> 00:42:05,450 if you said a doctor you immediately 917 00:42:08,830 --> 00:42:06,830 assume it's a man mm-hmm 918 00:42:11,230 --> 00:42:08,840 if you said an architect you immediately 919 00:42:14,440 --> 00:42:11,240 assume it's a man you know if you said 920 00:42:16,000 --> 00:42:14,450 you know that's how society was like I 921 00:42:20,200 --> 00:42:16,010 mean nowadays even a lorry driver or a 922 00:42:23,620 --> 00:42:20,210 bus driver Uniroyal yeah yeah so so God 923 00:42:26,350 --> 00:42:23,630 is a man right so that was a joke but 924 00:42:29,620 --> 00:42:26,360 when you say aliens are we automatically 925 00:42:32,350 --> 00:42:29,630 thinking them in hmm you know so so I 926 00:42:35,650 --> 00:42:32,360 thought what by making it a woman or at 927 00:42:37,350 --> 00:42:35,660 least female looking that puts a cat 928 00:42:40,570 --> 00:42:37,360 amongst the pigeons because suddenly 929 00:42:42,340 --> 00:42:40,580 it's it jars with your bias and it's 930 00:42:44,620 --> 00:42:42,350 like why would why would hopes to do 931 00:42:47,290 --> 00:42:44,630 that what would I miss with us slumber 932 00:42:50,500 --> 00:42:47,300 hmm and by making it a man's body with a 933 00:42:54,730 --> 00:42:50,510 vagina it becomes a sexual it becomes 934 00:42:59,050 --> 00:42:54,740 non-sexual and it becomes less Pawnee 935 00:43:03,010 --> 00:42:59,060 and more Erie you know hmm 936 00:43:06,890 --> 00:43:03,020 so so giving it a vagina and then making 937 00:43:08,360 --> 00:43:06,900 it look pregnant that that was 938 00:43:09,920 --> 00:43:08,370 a whole thing you're looking at anything 939 00:43:12,080 --> 00:43:09,930 oh it's pregnant 940 00:43:13,910 --> 00:43:12,090 might know when they cut so other 941 00:43:15,920 --> 00:43:13,920 aspects of that I think yeah she gives 942 00:43:18,290 --> 00:43:15,930 you more sympathy for that as well yeah 943 00:43:22,430 --> 00:43:18,300 for some reason I don't know if you know 944 00:43:24,770 --> 00:43:22,440 I mean it's a conflict between the 945 00:43:27,110 --> 00:43:24,780 masculine eerie sinister thing and 946 00:43:29,900 --> 00:43:27,120 there's this preacher that's pregnant 947 00:43:31,370 --> 00:43:29,910 and dead because of us and there's a 948 00:43:33,200 --> 00:43:31,380 baby inside and you've got this 949 00:43:35,330 --> 00:43:33,210 conflicting thing going on where you 950 00:43:38,210 --> 00:43:35,340 feel sorry for it but there but if 951 00:43:39,800 --> 00:43:38,220 there's still this is it the enemy are 952 00:43:42,980 --> 00:43:39,810 they coming in peace are they what what 953 00:43:45,020 --> 00:43:42,990 sort the situation is scary you know so 954 00:43:47,300 --> 00:43:45,030 so you've got all that going on but when 955 00:43:52,850 --> 00:43:47,310 there's the surgeon opens the creature 956 00:43:53,930 --> 00:43:52,860 up there is no baby okay so now whatever 957 00:43:56,210 --> 00:43:53,940 what L is it you know 958 00:43:58,850 --> 00:43:56,220 well the backstory gotta say the whole 959 00:44:01,430 --> 00:43:58,860 backstory in the book tells you that is 960 00:44:02,890 --> 00:44:01,440 a pregnant it isn't female it's not a 961 00:44:05,810 --> 00:44:02,900 reproductive organ 962 00:44:08,060 --> 00:44:05,820 it's it's a creature that's builders 963 00:44:12,920 --> 00:44:08,070 we've grown it's genetically grown and 964 00:44:17,930 --> 00:44:12,930 you you know external extremities like a 965 00:44:21,590 --> 00:44:17,940 big nose or ears or a penis all of these 966 00:44:25,190 --> 00:44:21,600 things are not streamlined they're not 967 00:44:26,660 --> 00:44:25,200 necessary so so we've got rid of all 968 00:44:28,430 --> 00:44:26,670 those extra Matiz if you look at the 969 00:44:31,390 --> 00:44:28,440 nose it's very small veneers are very 970 00:44:33,500 --> 00:44:31,400 low set and they're very small 971 00:44:36,140 --> 00:44:33,510 everything everything is streamlined 972 00:44:39,860 --> 00:44:36,150 there's no hair it's it's you know now 973 00:44:43,310 --> 00:44:39,870 if you if you look at Japanese and 974 00:44:46,310 --> 00:44:43,320 Chinese Asians you see some features 975 00:44:48,380 --> 00:44:46,320 that actually fit with the alien concept 976 00:44:51,260 --> 00:44:48,390 which is the hairless body 977 00:44:54,260 --> 00:44:51,270 the eyes are are higher higher set at a 978 00:44:57,920 --> 00:44:54,270 different angle and the ears are smaller 979 00:45:00,080 --> 00:44:57,930 you know the noses are smaller it's a 980 00:45:01,580 --> 00:45:00,090 lot there's a lot there you know it goes 981 00:45:03,440 --> 00:45:01,590 well it goes with that that whole 982 00:45:06,620 --> 00:45:03,450 feeling that you know maybe we are 983 00:45:10,850 --> 00:45:06,630 sharing the DNA or maybe we are you know 984 00:45:13,430 --> 00:45:10,860 we're not just the pure human breed so 985 00:45:19,640 --> 00:45:13,440 so it all fits and it all adds to being 986 00:45:20,840 --> 00:45:19,650 real and looking and feeling real big 987 00:45:24,110 --> 00:45:20,850 it was black and white I didn't have to 988 00:45:27,140 --> 00:45:24,120 worry about the color of it in in 989 00:45:29,300 --> 00:45:27,150 reality the the color was a pinkish gray 990 00:45:31,580 --> 00:45:29,310 it wasn't if you looked at it you 991 00:45:33,710 --> 00:45:31,590 wouldn't say pink he would say gray but 992 00:45:36,740 --> 00:45:33,720 actually he did have a pink hue to it it 993 00:45:37,970 --> 00:45:36,750 had like a little bit of pink that if 994 00:45:41,990 --> 00:45:37,980 you looked at it you could see the pink 995 00:45:43,730 --> 00:45:42,000 in it but it was great and that was just 996 00:45:46,700 --> 00:45:43,740 for us because it was never gonna get 997 00:45:48,230 --> 00:45:46,710 seen it was just for us we just did it 998 00:45:50,150 --> 00:45:48,240 because it you know we did it as a color 999 00:45:52,430 --> 00:45:50,160 thing you know knowing I'm gonna film it 1000 00:45:53,960 --> 00:45:52,440 in black and white mm-hm could we 1001 00:45:56,570 --> 00:45:53,970 deliberate it do we make the creature 1002 00:45:58,580 --> 00:45:56,580 green if we made it green it what color 1003 00:46:00,260 --> 00:45:58,590 green what shade of green why why would 1004 00:46:02,930 --> 00:46:00,270 it be green because other people with 1005 00:46:04,130 --> 00:46:02,940 other little green men no you know we've 1006 00:46:07,940 --> 00:46:04,140 got to go away from that because that's 1007 00:46:11,630 --> 00:46:07,950 jokey it's too jokey and we thought we'd 1008 00:46:15,110 --> 00:46:11,640 have to make it more human looking so 1009 00:46:17,270 --> 00:46:15,120 that maybe on the surface when somebody 1010 00:46:19,910 --> 00:46:17,280 sees a photograph they can say maybe 1011 00:46:22,760 --> 00:46:19,920 it's a deformed human maybe this human 1012 00:46:26,170 --> 00:46:22,770 has been exposed to radiation maybe this 1013 00:46:28,850 --> 00:46:26,180 human has some kind of genetic 1014 00:46:32,240 --> 00:46:28,860 abnormality and it's just a human being 1015 00:46:35,420 --> 00:46:32,250 right and and what that does is it 1016 00:46:37,190 --> 00:46:35,430 lowers your defenses you drop your 1017 00:46:39,170 --> 00:46:37,200 defenses who you think it's not an alien 1018 00:46:40,670 --> 00:46:39,180 because nobody's gonna go there nobody 1019 00:46:43,130 --> 00:46:40,680 there this is an alien they're gonna say 1020 00:46:44,660 --> 00:46:43,140 I don't know if I believe this I don't 1021 00:46:47,240 --> 00:46:44,670 believe it's nice but if you believe it 1022 00:46:50,750 --> 00:46:47,250 the human what it does it stops you from 1023 00:46:52,970 --> 00:46:50,760 thinking it's fake hmm okay because if 1024 00:46:55,370 --> 00:46:52,980 it was all alien looking you would 1025 00:46:58,640 --> 00:46:55,380 simply say I don't believe this equals 1026 00:47:02,390 --> 00:46:58,650 fake right if I made it more human 1027 00:47:04,220 --> 00:47:02,400 looking and alien looking and you said I 1028 00:47:05,000 --> 00:47:04,230 don't believe it it's an alien but you 1029 00:47:07,700 --> 00:47:05,010 know what 1030 00:47:09,830 --> 00:47:07,710 it looks like a human being right the 1031 00:47:10,520 --> 00:47:09,840 word fake hasn't entered your mind yet 1032 00:47:13,400 --> 00:47:10,530 mm-hm 1033 00:47:15,860 --> 00:47:13,410 that isn't an option it's either human 1034 00:47:17,330 --> 00:47:15,870 or it's alien what is it right that's 1035 00:47:18,950 --> 00:47:17,340 the question that you're being asked 1036 00:47:21,980 --> 00:47:18,960 it's a subliminal question no buttons 1037 00:47:24,320 --> 00:47:21,990 asking asking it outright the subliminal 1038 00:47:26,120 --> 00:47:24,330 question so most people that don't want 1039 00:47:28,340 --> 00:47:26,130 to believe it's an alien will say it's a 1040 00:47:29,750 --> 00:47:28,350 deform human being and this is a snuff 1041 00:47:32,780 --> 00:47:29,760 movie some people said this is a real 1042 00:47:33,710 --> 00:47:32,790 human being and it's a snuff movie you 1043 00:47:35,750 --> 00:47:33,720 know it was a 1044 00:47:38,930 --> 00:47:35,760 a real person was used to make this look 1045 00:47:42,950 --> 00:47:38,940 like it you know I've had all sorts of 1046 00:47:47,900 --> 00:47:42,960 explanations but the level of detail and 1047 00:47:49,970 --> 00:47:47,910 the level of of misdirection is immense 1048 00:47:51,800 --> 00:47:49,980 and it's not a very it's not immediately 1049 00:47:54,020 --> 00:47:51,810 apparent you know it doesn't come across 1050 00:48:00,589 --> 00:47:54,030 immediately not until we do what we're 1051 00:48:02,420 --> 00:48:00,599 doing now and so well I think another 1052 00:48:04,580 --> 00:48:02,430 interesting aspect of it that really 1053 00:48:08,030 --> 00:48:04,590 interests me I thought was really quite 1054 00:48:09,920 --> 00:48:08,040 some startling was the eyes when you 1055 00:48:11,030 --> 00:48:09,930 start taking the black coverage because 1056 00:48:13,310 --> 00:48:11,040 it because you'll see the the 1057 00:48:15,589 --> 00:48:13,320 description you hear of grey aliens for 1058 00:48:18,800 --> 00:48:15,599 instance or the big black eyes and you 1059 00:48:22,370 --> 00:48:18,810 did the in the film removing the cover I 1060 00:48:26,300 --> 00:48:22,380 found that quite startling yes what the 1061 00:48:28,930 --> 00:48:26,310 idea of that was again back to the 1062 00:48:32,330 --> 00:48:28,940 dilemma of creating a piece of art and 1063 00:48:34,599 --> 00:48:32,340 trying to stay with the with the remit 1064 00:48:37,280 --> 00:48:34,609 of what people say an alien looks like 1065 00:48:40,190 --> 00:48:37,290 you can't deviate too much you see if we 1066 00:48:41,930 --> 00:48:40,200 if we took away too much then we're so 1067 00:48:43,720 --> 00:48:41,940 far away from what people think an alien 1068 00:48:46,400 --> 00:48:43,730 looks like that becomes something else 1069 00:48:48,200 --> 00:48:46,410 though the the big black eyes were very 1070 00:48:51,230 --> 00:48:48,210 important the big head was very 1071 00:48:53,570 --> 00:48:51,240 important because they're recognizable 1072 00:48:56,510 --> 00:48:53,580 you know that's the recognizable face of 1073 00:49:00,020 --> 00:48:56,520 an alien the problem I had with the 1074 00:49:00,740 --> 00:49:00,030 black eyes was I'm a filmmaker I'm a 1075 00:49:02,920 --> 00:49:00,750 cinematographer 1076 00:49:06,980 --> 00:49:02,930 I understand how lenses work I 1077 00:49:11,630 --> 00:49:06,990 understand how an eye works and it can't 1078 00:49:14,470 --> 00:49:11,640 work if it's just one big pupil it can't 1079 00:49:19,820 --> 00:49:14,480 work because the pupil opens and closes 1080 00:49:22,220 --> 00:49:19,830 but to let more or less light in and if 1081 00:49:23,750 --> 00:49:22,230 it's just one big black eye that's in 1082 00:49:25,520 --> 00:49:23,760 our eye we've got a little bit of black 1083 00:49:27,290 --> 00:49:25,530 in the middle of a moonlit pupil the 1084 00:49:30,020 --> 00:49:27,300 pupil in the middle and we have the iris 1085 00:49:34,430 --> 00:49:30,030 and those two things work together to 1086 00:49:37,400 --> 00:49:34,440 let in more or less light so if this is 1087 00:49:40,940 --> 00:49:37,410 supposed to be an eye no matter if it's 1088 00:49:43,220 --> 00:49:40,950 human or alien if it doesn't work in my 1089 00:49:45,770 --> 00:49:43,230 mind why will it work in your mind and 1090 00:49:47,210 --> 00:49:45,780 why will it work in an expert mind right 1091 00:49:50,030 --> 00:49:47,220 it doesn't work 1092 00:49:51,770 --> 00:49:50,040 so so what is it no I'd rather not have 1093 00:49:55,099 --> 00:49:51,780 ants questions are not answered because 1094 00:49:56,630 --> 00:49:55,109 I hate it when people say well what do 1095 00:49:57,950 --> 00:49:56,640 you know what an alien looks like well 1096 00:50:00,140 --> 00:49:57,960 do you know how or where how an alien 1097 00:50:03,589 --> 00:50:00,150 dies is very convenient that's just a 1098 00:50:05,599 --> 00:50:03,599 very convenient thing to do and it 1099 00:50:07,970 --> 00:50:05,609 doesn't answer the question right I'd 1100 00:50:09,559 --> 00:50:07,980 rather create a hook above my hat on it 1101 00:50:14,150 --> 00:50:09,569 you know I want to answer the question 1102 00:50:15,920 --> 00:50:14,160 though so what better answer if that 1103 00:50:19,280 --> 00:50:15,930 black eye wasn't actually a black eye at 1104 00:50:22,309 --> 00:50:19,290 all it's actually a lens it's modern 1105 00:50:24,380 --> 00:50:22,319 sunglasses okay they're traveling 1106 00:50:27,589 --> 00:50:24,390 through space they're so close to the 1107 00:50:29,300 --> 00:50:27,599 Sun at times that may be it it's 1108 00:50:31,339 --> 00:50:29,310 terrible is glaring and so you know 1109 00:50:33,740 --> 00:50:31,349 today they need protection and you know 1110 00:50:36,109 --> 00:50:33,750 what they can't first pair of glasses on 1111 00:50:37,910 --> 00:50:36,119 like we wear them one the glasses would 1112 00:50:40,099 --> 00:50:37,920 have gaps at the sides and light will 1113 00:50:42,920 --> 00:50:40,109 still get in but there is a too low set 1114 00:50:47,420 --> 00:50:42,930 so they wouldn't work in a traditional 1115 00:50:50,630 --> 00:50:47,430 way and glasses are old-fashioned you 1116 00:50:52,130 --> 00:50:50,640 know if you if you go be go back really 1117 00:50:53,750 --> 00:50:52,140 a long way and you get them on a calm 1118 00:50:54,890 --> 00:50:53,760 and you'd somebody some price box said 1119 00:50:57,770 --> 00:50:54,900 you know what if we put a little bridge 1120 00:50:59,510 --> 00:50:57,780 here sit on our nose and if we put legs 1121 00:51:01,520 --> 00:50:59,520 over here we put Mon our ears and they 1122 00:51:04,520 --> 00:51:01,530 stay on quite conveniently use on them 1123 00:51:06,200 --> 00:51:04,530 yeah but the glasses themselves actually 1124 00:51:08,990 --> 00:51:06,210 quite a basic design and they're not 1125 00:51:13,339 --> 00:51:09,000 there they're design they're a necessity 1126 00:51:15,740 --> 00:51:13,349 of design not a an invention you know 1127 00:51:18,530 --> 00:51:15,750 somebody thought why I can put a piece 1128 00:51:21,050 --> 00:51:18,540 of lens in front of my eye and and I can 1129 00:51:21,800 --> 00:51:21,060 put it on a chain and as I just close 1130 00:51:25,190 --> 00:51:21,810 the other eye 1131 00:51:27,440 --> 00:51:25,200 and I can see I can read and but that's 1132 00:51:29,150 --> 00:51:27,450 inconvenient you know so so it's only 1133 00:51:30,079 --> 00:51:29,160 necessity they're slowly slowly thought 1134 00:51:31,880 --> 00:51:30,089 well you know what we should have want 1135 00:51:34,069 --> 00:51:31,890 to reach i but how do we keep it 1136 00:51:35,450 --> 00:51:34,079 together well we would put a bridge you 1137 00:51:37,700 --> 00:51:35,460 know what that bridge looks like it's 1138 00:51:40,339 --> 00:51:37,710 sit on your nose you know it's only it's 1139 00:51:42,050 --> 00:51:40,349 a necessity of design right it's a 1140 00:51:44,000 --> 00:51:42,060 sequence of events that made something 1141 00:51:47,270 --> 00:51:44,010 that was necessary and they designed it 1142 00:51:49,550 --> 00:51:47,280 by the by default nobody sat there and 1143 00:51:51,020 --> 00:51:49,560 one drawing and said right these are 1144 00:51:54,890 --> 00:51:51,030 glasses and they're gonna be like this 1145 00:51:58,309 --> 00:51:54,900 it happened bit by bit so throw a modern 1146 00:52:00,230 --> 00:51:58,319 creature especially the shape of head 1147 00:52:00,710 --> 00:52:00,240 and the weather ears are and the whole 1148 00:52:03,079 --> 00:52:00,720 thing 1149 00:52:05,329 --> 00:52:03,089 they would be they won't already be 1150 00:52:07,279 --> 00:52:05,339 ahead of us so contact lenses or 1151 00:52:10,940 --> 00:52:07,289 something where we're here already we 1152 00:52:14,539 --> 00:52:10,950 already got contact lenses so to have a 1153 00:52:19,510 --> 00:52:14,549 full eye sunglass contact lens made 1154 00:52:24,829 --> 00:52:19,520 sense to me so I set that John paint 1155 00:52:26,930 --> 00:52:24,839 paint a Bible on the creature make it 1156 00:52:30,020 --> 00:52:26,940 realistic and then what we'll do is 1157 00:52:32,210 --> 00:52:30,030 we'll put some Vaseline or something 1158 00:52:35,539 --> 00:52:32,220 into the itis book it's sticking and 1159 00:52:38,510 --> 00:52:35,549 then we'll put some black latex into the 1160 00:52:41,020 --> 00:52:38,520 I paint it in let it dry and now we've 1161 00:52:47,089 --> 00:52:41,030 got a rubber a perfectly fitting rubber 1162 00:52:48,849 --> 00:52:47,099 black cover that we can take off and in 1163 00:52:51,950 --> 00:52:48,859 the end what we did we use KY jelly 1164 00:52:54,980 --> 00:52:51,960 because with KY jelly we could put quite 1165 00:52:57,620 --> 00:52:54,990 a lot on look at a layer the set 1166 00:53:01,039 --> 00:52:57,630 underneath and then we painted the 1167 00:53:03,859 --> 00:53:01,049 record the black latex into the eyeball 1168 00:53:07,940 --> 00:53:03,869 and then eased it around and let it set 1169 00:53:11,150 --> 00:53:07,950 so so when you peel it off the the KY 1170 00:53:13,880 --> 00:53:11,160 jelly comes up with it like gum Lucas 1171 00:53:15,950 --> 00:53:13,890 yeah yeah and that's a lovely offending 1172 00:53:20,839 --> 00:53:15,960 again for nothing for nothing just it's 1173 00:53:25,039 --> 00:53:20,849 just well thought out so so the whole 1174 00:53:27,109 --> 00:53:25,049 idea was how scary would it be when you 1175 00:53:29,779 --> 00:53:27,119 suddenly peel back this black and now 1176 00:53:31,940 --> 00:53:29,789 you can see an eyeball turned up into 1177 00:53:34,849 --> 00:53:31,950 the into the skull like we and this is a 1178 00:53:39,620 --> 00:53:34,859 dead creature now it's real force this 1179 00:53:42,200 --> 00:53:39,630 creature is real and dead and and cut up 1180 00:53:43,730 --> 00:53:42,210 to that point you kind of watching an 1181 00:53:45,620 --> 00:53:43,740 autopsy and you're kind of what you're 1182 00:53:48,130 --> 00:53:45,630 looking at and you you're still trying 1183 00:53:50,630 --> 00:53:48,140 to make your mind up what is it and 1184 00:53:52,579 --> 00:53:50,640 every time that something happens it 1185 00:53:54,980 --> 00:53:52,589 reinforces a little bit more of it being 1186 00:53:56,990 --> 00:53:54,990 real until it gets to a point where you 1187 00:53:58,579 --> 00:53:57,000 buy it you know you've just so you know 1188 00:54:02,630 --> 00:53:58,589 there's just too many things that make 1189 00:54:04,970 --> 00:54:02,640 this real so so the whole idea of the 1190 00:54:07,640 --> 00:54:04,980 black eyes and turning them into lenses 1191 00:54:09,980 --> 00:54:07,650 and you know it was creative license to 1192 00:54:12,859 --> 00:54:09,990 make some a nice effect that looked 1193 00:54:14,830 --> 00:54:12,869 great and it was also an explanation as 1194 00:54:17,300 --> 00:54:14,840 to how these eyes were 1195 00:54:18,440 --> 00:54:17,310 you know if your if your you could have 1196 00:54:21,350 --> 00:54:18,450 scrutinizes to death 1197 00:54:25,660 --> 00:54:21,360 hmm you know that will this work as a as 1198 00:54:28,550 --> 00:54:25,670 a being as a live being will it work 1199 00:54:30,860 --> 00:54:28,560 well there was a number of things that 1200 00:54:32,060 --> 00:54:30,870 that I haven't spoken about I'll talk 1201 00:54:36,560 --> 00:54:32,070 about this as well if you want there's a 1202 00:54:39,200 --> 00:54:36,570 the nurse takes items from the creature 1203 00:54:41,090 --> 00:54:39,210 as as the surgeon cuts them out of the 1204 00:54:44,540 --> 00:54:41,100 body and puts them into into bowls and 1205 00:54:46,970 --> 00:54:44,550 she takes these pieces away to the table 1206 00:54:51,760 --> 00:54:46,980 behind her and if she likes some notes 1207 00:54:55,190 --> 00:54:51,770 and the idea is that in this situation 1208 00:54:57,800 --> 00:54:55,200 no one person would be looking at the 1209 00:54:59,510 --> 00:54:57,810 whole creature only the the goddess 1210 00:55:01,700 --> 00:54:59,520 during the autopsy but when they're 1211 00:55:04,280 --> 00:55:01,710 doing that the tests on the various 1212 00:55:06,800 --> 00:55:04,290 pieces like the heart the brain and the 1213 00:55:09,440 --> 00:55:06,810 various pieces they would go to a 1214 00:55:12,170 --> 00:55:09,450 specialist in that field in a separate 1215 00:55:16,000 --> 00:55:12,180 lab and that person alone would be 1216 00:55:18,260 --> 00:55:16,010 looking at that one organ and and 1217 00:55:21,290 --> 00:55:18,270 dissecting it and looking at it and and 1218 00:55:23,720 --> 00:55:21,300 making it makings conclusion you know 1219 00:55:27,440 --> 00:55:23,730 and comparing it to human and in doing 1220 00:55:29,600 --> 00:55:27,450 the thing so with that in mind what you 1221 00:55:31,670 --> 00:55:29,610 need to do is you need to keep on top of 1222 00:55:34,430 --> 00:55:31,680 it so the nurse is writing notes as to 1223 00:55:36,380 --> 00:55:34,440 what everything is and where it is so 1224 00:55:40,640 --> 00:55:36,390 that she can log it tag it and send it 1225 00:55:43,760 --> 00:55:40,650 to the right lab my problem was that she 1226 00:55:46,700 --> 00:55:43,770 had to write with something and if I use 1227 00:55:48,440 --> 00:55:46,710 the bic pen i didn't know whether or not 1228 00:55:52,100 --> 00:55:48,450 they existed at that time 1229 00:55:53,330 --> 00:55:52,110 if I use a fountain pen I don't know 1230 00:55:56,480 --> 00:55:53,340 whether it would be the right one for 1231 00:55:59,830 --> 00:55:56,490 that year or if that if they would have 1232 00:56:02,180 --> 00:55:59,840 used a fountain pen at all right so I 1233 00:56:03,350 --> 00:56:02,190 had to do something because it was gonna 1234 00:56:05,630 --> 00:56:03,360 be in her hand as she was gonna be 1235 00:56:10,130 --> 00:56:05,640 writing with it so I in the end I chose 1236 00:56:12,050 --> 00:56:10,140 to use a unmarked pencil because pencils 1237 00:56:14,420 --> 00:56:12,060 have been around forever and if it 1238 00:56:16,250 --> 00:56:14,430 hasn't got a brand on it so he doesn't 1239 00:56:18,080 --> 00:56:16,260 say the name of the brand of the pencil 1240 00:56:20,990 --> 00:56:18,090 and it hasn't got a certain shape or 1241 00:56:23,120 --> 00:56:21,000 pattern on you know on you know you get 1242 00:56:25,700 --> 00:56:23,130 yellow ones with black lines on you you 1243 00:56:27,410 --> 00:56:25,710 know they're very well known but 1244 00:56:28,370 --> 00:56:27,420 although that would black and white you 1245 00:56:30,980 --> 00:56:28,380 would still see this 1246 00:56:32,749 --> 00:56:30,990 same look and feel and you would 1247 00:56:34,789 --> 00:56:32,759 associate it with a pencil the Union by 1248 00:56:37,210 --> 00:56:34,799 today so what I did I use the 1249 00:56:39,319 --> 00:56:37,220 carpenter's pencil which is just wood 1250 00:56:42,559 --> 00:56:39,329 there's no markings on it it doesn't 1251 00:56:44,450 --> 00:56:42,569 take don't say HB for example very 1252 00:56:47,630 --> 00:56:44,460 important because I didn't know whether 1253 00:56:49,849 --> 00:56:47,640 or not anyone called a pencil and HB or 1254 00:56:51,769 --> 00:56:49,859 an HP or ax or whatever I don't know if 1255 00:56:54,920 --> 00:56:51,779 they did that in 1947 or where it came 1256 00:56:56,990 --> 00:56:54,930 whether that came in later so not 1257 00:56:59,420 --> 00:56:57,000 wanting to take any chances I ended up 1258 00:57:03,289 --> 00:56:59,430 with a very straightforward plain pencil 1259 00:57:08,299 --> 00:57:03,299 and I couldn't have what she's writing 1260 00:57:10,579 --> 00:57:08,309 down legible because if you know about 1261 00:57:13,490 --> 00:57:10,589 these things and as it happened Cyril 1262 00:57:15,730 --> 00:57:13,500 Wecht who's who is gone now bless him 1263 00:57:18,140 --> 00:57:15,740 but he was the he was one of the biggest 1264 00:57:23,900 --> 00:57:18,150 pathologists in the world big court 1265 00:57:26,089 --> 00:57:23,910 cases he did he did the OJ Simpson case 1266 00:57:27,710 --> 00:57:26,099 he did a number of big cases and he's 1267 00:57:29,930 --> 00:57:27,720 the guy they called in to court cases to 1268 00:57:31,999 --> 00:57:29,940 determine time of death places he all 1269 00:57:36,410 --> 00:57:32,009 that all that sort of stuff and the 1270 00:57:38,359 --> 00:57:36,420 method of purpose how they died and so 1271 00:57:40,579 --> 00:57:38,369 he would know and he was an old boy you 1272 00:57:42,170 --> 00:57:40,589 know so he would know cuz he he actually 1273 00:57:44,029 --> 00:57:42,180 said on record well this is exactly what 1274 00:57:46,880 --> 00:57:44,039 he used to be like in back in the day 1275 00:57:48,980 --> 00:57:46,890 these are the tools they used to use the 1276 00:57:51,319 --> 00:57:48,990 hand saw and the you know the bowls 1277 00:57:55,430 --> 00:57:51,329 everything is correct so he remembered 1278 00:57:57,680 --> 00:57:55,440 he knew because he was there so would 1279 00:57:59,690 --> 00:57:57,690 they have written down what language 1280 00:58:01,670 --> 00:57:59,700 would they have written down when 1281 00:58:03,620 --> 00:58:01,680 they're writing down stuff for a lab to 1282 00:58:05,210 --> 00:58:03,630 take it would be a specific language 1283 00:58:07,460 --> 00:58:05,220 would be able to certain way of writing 1284 00:58:10,789 --> 00:58:07,470 things and I didn't know what that would 1285 00:58:12,680 --> 00:58:10,799 be so we couldn't show what was being 1286 00:58:15,470 --> 00:58:12,690 written but we had to show that 1287 00:58:16,999 --> 00:58:15,480 something was being written hmm so if 1288 00:58:19,099 --> 00:58:17,009 you look at it now now that I've 1289 00:58:20,809 --> 00:58:19,109 described it if you look at the film now 1290 00:58:23,150 --> 00:58:20,819 you will see the pencil I think you 1291 00:58:25,309 --> 00:58:23,160 can't see what it is so you can never 1292 00:58:26,809 --> 00:58:25,319 date it and you'll see that it services 1293 00:58:29,029 --> 00:58:26,819 slightly out of focus and you'll see 1294 00:58:31,430 --> 00:58:29,039 that actually the writing is scribbles 1295 00:58:32,930 --> 00:58:31,440 it's not writing at all it's just it's 1296 00:58:36,440 --> 00:58:32,940 just curls and whirls and sort of 1297 00:58:37,880 --> 00:58:36,450 scribbles made into lines that it just 1298 00:58:39,620 --> 00:58:37,890 looks like you just can't see what it is 1299 00:58:40,759 --> 00:58:39,630 because it's out focused lightly but 1300 00:58:41,430 --> 00:58:40,769 actually there's not a single word in 1301 00:58:44,040 --> 00:58:41,440 within 1302 00:58:48,180 --> 00:58:44,050 of it because because what people do 1303 00:58:50,069 --> 00:58:48,190 they they blow up a frame they fill in 1304 00:58:52,770 --> 00:58:50,079 they fill in the spaces and they create 1305 00:58:55,079 --> 00:58:52,780 words they see what it could be and they 1306 00:58:57,200 --> 00:58:55,089 then work it out you know so I couldn't 1307 00:58:59,490 --> 00:58:57,210 chance that I'm fortunate experience 1308 00:59:03,510 --> 00:58:59,500 some of the best pencils we met you got 1309 00:59:05,520 --> 00:59:03,520 a draw a line right under that you 1310 00:59:07,620 --> 00:59:05,530 weren't at that right well with the 1311 00:59:11,250 --> 00:59:07,630 pencil I'm really sorry that we've got a 1312 00:59:13,290 --> 00:59:11,260 lady buyer but some guy needs a nick 1313 00:59:14,880 --> 00:59:13,300 program I think with this yeah but so 1314 00:59:16,440 --> 00:59:14,890 I'm glad to say 1315 00:59:18,329 --> 00:59:16,450 good boy thank you very much for coming 1316 00:59:20,940 --> 00:59:18,339 on again and clearing up a few more 1317 00:59:22,260 --> 00:59:20,950 points and all very fascinating I will 1318 00:59:24,150 --> 00:59:22,270 put a lot of this on the site as well 1319 00:59:26,790 --> 00:59:24,160 and they're links to you and everything 1320 00:59:29,069 --> 00:59:26,800 else and hope to running you into you 1321 00:59:31,410 --> 00:59:29,079 again sometime at some point I look 1322 00:59:32,910 --> 00:59:31,420 forward to that yeah I can't wait to see 1323 00:59:35,730 --> 00:59:32,920 this field when you book it everything 1324 00:59:37,500 --> 00:59:35,740 is it's exciting times I must say but 1325 00:59:40,099 --> 00:59:37,510 I've got to say farewell now thanks you 1326 00:59:42,630 --> 00:59:40,109 think spirits for coming on again and 1327 00:59:48,030 --> 00:59:42,640 everyone out there thank you thanks for